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Posted by u/nomarv a month ago
Show HN: A subtly obvious e-paper room air monitornicolin-dora.ch/blog/en-e...
In the cold season we tend to keep the windows closed. The air gets "stale": humidity often rises above 60 %, which can harm our wellbeing and promote mould. At the same time the CO₂ level in the air increases, which impacts our ability to concentrate.

So I built a room air monitor that stays unobtrusive as long as everything is in the green zone, but becomes deliberately noticeable once thresholds are exceeded. For my personal love of statistics I also visualise the measurements in a clear dashboard.

Animats · a month ago
There are lots of commercial gadgets like that.

Most of the affordable CO2 meters are relative, not absolute. They set their 400 PPM level based on the lowest value they ever see. That's usually OK, but it's not good enough for places with permanent people occupancy, such as nursing homes. Absolute detectors with NIST calibration are available but around US$500.[1]

[1] https://www.forensicsdetectors.com/products/carbon-dioxide-d...

nomarv · a month ago
For my use case — simply getting some statistics about the air quality in our shared flat, improving concentration, and having a reminder to ventilate — the accuracy of the SCD40 is sufficient. It also has a self-calibration feature, which works as long as it is exposed to atmospheric CO₂ levels at least once a week. See the detailed specifications here: https://m5stack.oss-cn-shenzhen.aliyuncs.com/resource/docs/d...
sbierwagen · a month ago
I built a meter around a SCD30 six years ago. The self-calibration routine was not very good, for two reasons.

1) It had an unrealistically low default level, something like 380 ppm. The atmospheric concentration keeps going up! The linked pdf says "The automatic selfcalibration algorithm assumes that the sensor is exposed to the atmospheric CO2 concentration of 400 ppm at least once per week." Atmospheric CO2 definitely is not 400 ppm anymore.

2) As far as I could tell it made no effort to choose a local minima. In a regularly ventilated space, if it decided to "calibrate" when a door was closed, it could abruptly declare 600 ppm to be 380. I just hard coded an offset value and disabled ASC.

buckle8017 · a month ago
> as long as it is exposed to atmospheric CO₂ levels at least once a week

That's much less likely than most people would think.

A modern building without active ventilation and windows closed is absolutely not going to see atmospheric CO2 levels.

I measured this once and found it took almost a full week of no human occupancy for such a building to be equal to outside.

stavros · a month ago
Wouldn't this work fine if you ever opened a window or briefly took the sensor outside?
M95D · a month ago
I belive the calibration is lost when power cycled. It may also drift a lot over time.
buckle8017 · a month ago
You gonna take your CO2 sensor for a weekly walk?
loloquwowndueo · a month ago
> The air gets "stale": humidity often rises above 60 %,

Fun - I have the opposite problem, humidity goes down to almost nothing and we have to use humidifiers to keep it around 40% to avoid horrible nose/throat/skin dryness.

Forced air hvac is probably why.

entropie · a month ago
Slightly off-topic

Home Assistant has been running here for several years, and there are quite a few mammals in a relatively small space (humans and dogs). Air quality plays a significant role in well-being. I spent some time tinkering around to find good sensor solutions (I still use esp32 with bme280/dallas and mhz19 for other rooms), and after some back and forth, I purchased an Awair Element. At first glance, it seems quite expensive, but the sensors alone would cost me 1/3 of the price.

We love it. The little LED that indicates air quality, which I didn't even notice at first, is extremely helpful. The sensors are so accurate that I can see when someone has cooked something, when cleaning products have been used, or when we have a dog visiting. A simple API+web server (which I never needed), as the Home Assistant integration works great.

Great device.

zucked · a month ago
Cool project. I've done something similar using defunct crypto Awair AQI sensors tied into Home Assistant. They have an LED panel in the front that can show overall AQI or any of the pollutants they track: https://www.getawair.com/products/element

The sky is the limit as to what you can do with Home Assistant automations.

It's surprising how quickly a room with a closed door and one person can go from ~ambient CO2 levels to 1000ppm+.

rifty · a month ago
> It's surprising how quickly a room with a closed door and one person can go from ~ambient CO2 levels to 1000ppm+.

Yeah, having seen myself how quickly it happens i've recently been thinking of finding automatic window openers that would respond to CO2 levels reported from either my aranet or on its own.

buckle8017 · a month ago
Maybe just get a heat recovery ventilator.
broabprobe · a month ago
were you able to repurpose your Awair device? Mine has sat bricked since they discontinued supporting it. I'd love to use it for anything if you're able to point to any docs on how to make it useful again?
electroly · a month ago
I found that the e-ink display on my Aranet4 is, by itself, so distracting on screen updates that I had to move it out of my field of view. It's a full-screen flash. Before buying it, I thought e-ink was a good choice for these types of devices, but now I wish they had gone with a cheap segmented LCD. I wonder if you could actually use this to your advantage here, since you want it to be distracting, and you are in control of the refresh.
dafelst · a month ago
Germans sure love their Lüften
hasbot · a month ago
I lived in one house that initially had hot water baseboard heat. A hot-air furnace was retrofitted into a closet and got its "fresh air" from a hole in the closet door (i.e. there was no incoming air). During the winter the air would get extremely "stale." Bathroom smells would linger for hours. It was oppressive.
ozim · a month ago
I was looking for cheap co2 sensors that can be deployed on RPi but I guess they all feel expensive.