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feb012025 · 11 hours ago
Here's something I did that's very eye opening.

- Use ChatGPT to get a list of landmarks in Gaza (historical, religious, medical, educational...)

- Find the wikipedia for a landmark (hit or miss), and copy the coordinates from the upper right hand corner

- Open "Google Earth" and paste the coordinates

- Use the "Show historical imagery" button to compare the 2023 image to the most recent

You'll see with your own eyes that the majority of all notable landmarks are just about destroyed, obviously targeted, and most of the google earth images are at least a year old.

Every single university ChatGPT lists as the top 5 in gaza are gone. And you can see from the historical images that these were very nice, well-groomed campuses. All of the greenery is gone. I had heard it beforehand, but this process of self-discovery with google earth hit a little bit different

snypher · 8 hours ago
Genocide is not just about the people.

'Raphael Lemkin, who coined the term, defined genocide as "the destruction of a nation or of an ethnic group" by means such as "the disintegration of [its] political and social institutions, of [its] culture, language, national feelings, religion, and [its] economic existence".'

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shepherdjerred · a day ago
I saw this yesterday which really changed my mind: https://www.nytimes.com/video/world/middleeast/1000000103701...
bjoli · 18 hours ago
Listening to interviews of the people from the west who have been to Gaza (doctors and nurses) I think it has been pretty clear what kind of violence is being perpetrated towards the civilian population. Things I found especially disturbing was Nick Maynard accusation of using teenagers as target practice, and Anthony Aguilar's description of the absolute horror of the GHF relief sites.

But these are just a few of many. There have been more stories of children shot in the head or chest than I can count, and when the stories of snipers shooting children started to fizzle out, it was instead drones that did the shooting.

Together with the absolutely abhorrent things said by Israeli ministers and parliament members I have had no doubt that this has been a genocide for quite some time.

The hardest thing to accept has been the complicit western media. On one side they have reported about killings, but then promptly reported the Israeli spokesperson's response to the accusations despite them being caught lying over and over again. Like the massacre of the ambulance drivers that first was not communicated with cogat. When it was shown to be communicated to cogat, they did not have their emergency lights and sirens on. When films surfaced of them with their lights and sirens on it was going to be "investigated". That led nowhere, despite the soldiers actively trying to hide their tracks by burying all the victims - some with ther frikken hands tied.

This pattern has repeated itself over and over and over, yet news outlets like the BBC or CNN seem to say to themselves "ah, but this time they are telling the truth".

My own government have been more preoccupied with hiding it's own cowardice than with standing up for any kind of principles. They believe in nothing and I have nothing but contempt for them.

abdusco · 16 hours ago
Everything Israel says is taken at face value and parroted by the western media, but anything Palestinians say is scrutinized and cast doubt and smeared as "Hamas lies".

The only way that neither side can object is from international journalists. Guess what, they're not allowed in, lest the truth comes out.

7433678532901 · an hour ago
Well, if the Al-Qaida outlet says so, HNers will swallow it.

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lifestyleguru · a day ago
Last 5 years and especially last 3 years have been historical milestone for the developed world, and not in a good way. It spirals into something indistinguishable.
thrance · 11 hours ago
Nothing of the sort, imperialism and colonialism were hallmarks of the developed world. I think it's a good sign, actually, that this time, a significant part of the population saw through all the bullshit and propaganda we've been bombarded with in the last few years.
NomDePlum · a day ago
Related article: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45097384

Leaked ‘Gaza Riviera’ plan dismissed as ‘insane’ attempt to cover ethnic cleansing

jjani · 10 hours ago
Aaand it's flagged/removed.
xyzal · 21 hours ago
I can't understand just how is Israel able to deliver precision strikes in Iran basically landing explosives to key personnel bedrooms (which is impressive!), but w.r.t. Hamas -- allegedly a weaker adversary -- it just isn't possible! We have to end 60k people first.

Does anyone have some rational explanation?

omnimus · 17 hours ago
If you look at the NY Times video shared above - the strikes are very precise. First they hit viewpoint/staircase favorited by journalists. Then 10min later they hit exactly the same spot with two separate strikes in a row.

There aren't many other rational explanations than that this is intended? Targeting journalists and then their rescue parties… oof

justacomment1 · 16 hours ago
They have access through software companies who actually provide security. Almost all western companies depend on security solutions (ex: endpoint & SOC providers, that means every electronic device including IoTs has some tracking enabled) provided by Israel founded companies. And we all know Israel seems to be not following rules, even though these security companies have some restrictions on access to customers data, there is no one stopping them from accessing these data in the name of support. Many security companies depend on Israel based employees. And often these employees are drop outs from high rank military intelligence or some family member in a high rank military positions. So if a supply chain has US companies, they have access to the companies data. I am definitely guessing a lot. But the kind of intel they have makes me think they are illegally accessing these data somehow.

If this is true, think twice before using second hand devices. You might be mistaken for someone and unnecessarily targeted.

Note that you can’t basically avoid these companies. They codified using one of these companies in some US regulations. There are no alternatives between. Even though the companies themselves mention they are US based, most of critical technical stuff happens directly from Israel. There are basically no alternatives. They make rules, US follows.

emchammer · 11 hours ago
Could you provide a reference for the Israeli company in US regulations?
apexalpha · 20 hours ago
In Iran they mostly blew up stuff that's fixed in place, like the nuclear reactor.

Most stuff in Gaza that was fixed in place has been destroyed already.

dlubarov · 20 hours ago
A few thoughts,

- We don't really know the civilian casualty ratio for Gaza, but in seems somewhere in the normal range for urban wars (e.g. based on some losses Hamas admitted early in the conflict). The Iran strikes also harmed civilians, e.g. from a collapsed building in Nobonyad Square. If Israel had to repeat things 10,000x, we might have seen many collapsed buildings and it might start to resemble Gaza.

- Intelligence gathering methods that work for a few high-profile targets might not scale to a war against tens of thousands of combatants.

- Israel had the element of surprise against Iran, so the relevant targets were mostly not in bunkers/tunnels. They never did against Hamas.

DeepSeaTortoise · 16 hours ago
Compare it to the 2022 Ukraine war. For more than a year almost all the fighting happened in densely populated areas, with many such shorter phases before and since.

And Soviet-stock bombs just aren't as precise and unguided rocket artillery even more so.

Yet after more than 3 years the number of civilian deaths and injured COMBINED just barely surpassed 50k recently.

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tsoukase · 14 hours ago
Israel with the support of literally all of the West cannot cope with a bunch of poor muslims. I cannot understand it, outside of conspiracy. The same holds for any distant war between the USA and some medieval counties in the last 30 years. If I were in charge, I would obliterate the enemy with any means.
tguvot · a day ago
per a couple of articles [0][1]

- only 28% percent of members voted

- virtual discussion for resolution prior to voting was cancelled

- didn't allow dissenting opinions published on list serve

- The association has recently expanded its membership and there are little qualifications to become a member. The association had been mostly made up of scholars, but now includes figures like activists and artists,

- if somebody reads actual resolution, it reads like fine collection of tiktok videos.

[0] https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cde3eyzdr63o

[1] https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog-september-02-2025/#li...

aaomidi · a day ago
Very interesting that you’re mixing two sources: one partially reputable and one entirely unreliable for this news.

And then you don’t make a distinction of which claim comes from where. The first claim comes from BBC, all the rest come from the second source. And best part? actual source for this is just one member saying stuff.

EvgeniyZh · a day ago
Well the whole discussion is under an article by the source entirely unreliable for this news.
mikrotikker · a day ago
This seems to happen a lot from what I've seen. When I saw Al Jazeera I already knew it would be biased.
Mars008 · 21 hours ago
Do you know any unbiased source? Any of these: BBC, NY Time, WSJ, CNN, MSN, The Guardian, NewsMax, MSDN...

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