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Posted by u/lucideng a month ago
Ask HN: Anyone else tired of AI being forced on you?
What won't they force AI into? Everywhere I look they have hastily shoehorned AI into something. The power button on a Galaxy S24 is now the Gemini button. Every search engine has 'AI Suggestions'. Even Logitech ships AI tools with its 'Logi Options+', I just wanted to reconfigure my buttons FFS. I didn't ask for this 'Powered by ____ AI' future, shame on you if you did.

Anyone else get the feeling that AI is a net loss for humanity? Search already made us lazy, now we don't even have to think about the answer, just regurgitate what the AI said. Don't even read your email, just have AI summarize what an AI probably wrote.

Then there's a strange dismissal of AI's failures. You can blame the AI for a failure, but if you were to arrive at the same conclusion/result, it would be your fault. It's become some sort of ownership offloading. Easier to blame the machine than take responsibility?

Where are the environmentalists? AI uses 10x the energy (and thus 10x carbon emissions) as search. That doesn't include the resources and energy to make the hardware and train the models in the first place. I can't think of any device or tool where people would tolerate a 10x increase in energy usage to complete the same task. People don't care what happens in the Datacenter until its next door to them causing problems.

I find it very useful for generating boilerplate code, unit tests, etc. It's a great tool for doing certain work. I don't need or want it shoved into everything because every Product Manager and Sales team seems to think it's a good idea to drive 'growth factors' or some other BS.

blinkbat · a month ago
yes, I would assume 90% of people who aren't easily swayed by hype are tired of it being shoehorned everywhere, and simultaneously none of us can do anything about it because investors are heart-eyed over it.
dapperdrake · a month ago
But those are an insignificant sub-population of the people who buy things.
johannboehme · a month ago
No, not really. The power button on the galaxy was previously a bixby button. They just changed the assistant that gets called uppon. AI Suggestions in search engines are sometimes practical and you can always choose to ignore them. AI is only a net loss for humans that use it instead of thinking. Used well its an incredible tool. Same goes to ownership offloading. Our company heavily encourages AI use, but the work you create with it is your responsibility. So if you dont check it, you are the one to blame. The energy consumption is really a thing that needs to be talked about, but its not that bad as its often stated. We already use buttloads of energy to stream movies, stream games, do stupid crypto stuff and the amount of bad mouthing AI gets for its energy consumption is just not proportional. If i run a local LLM on my GPU i am a forest killer, but using the same GPU to run a heavy game is ok?
aspir · a month ago
Optimistically, only 5% of the things that AI is bolted on to today will provide any value over time (which is better than the 0% rate for Blockchain a few years ago). My exhaustion comes from having to constantly sift through the fluff to find the promising aspects.
linotype · a month ago
I’m beyond tired of hearing people complain about AI. Just stop already. If you don’t like it, don’t use it, find a job where people don’t like it and work there. It’s exhausting how Luddite the tech community has unironically become.
UncleMeat · a month ago
I can't "not use it" when my medical insurance sticks an AI between me and the ability to talk to a human or uses an AI to deny my insurance claims.

I can't "not use it" when my VP uses an AI to decide who to lay off in the next wave of cuts.

I can't "not use it" when my governor sets up an AI review of statewide regulation to decide what regulation to remove.

"My boss says that I have to use an LLM to program" is way way way below my worries of "society's bosses use LLMs to entrench their power and abuse labor because they are upset about the labor gains made in the post-covid era."

jaredcwhite · a month ago
We keep complaining because Big Tech keeps shoving this unmitigated garbage down our collective throats.

When the boot is on the neck, you don't stop complaining until it has been removed. It's as simple as that.

bubblebeard · a month ago
Yes, but you placing your neck under that boot is a free choice. I admit, sometimes a little tricky to avoid, but a free choice still. As far as I know, there is always an option but please correct me if I am wrong.

With that said I think technology overall has become increasingly worse over the years in some ways. God, do I miss a TV without an OS.

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malfist · a month ago
I'd love to not use it. Can you tell me how to keep Android or Microsoft or Google from shoving it everywhere, raising prices for that privilege and hoovering up all my data with it?
linotype · a month ago
I avoid those platforms already and use Linux/Mac OS instead. Android and Windows were openly hostile to user privacy before ChatGPT became publicly available.

And if Apple shoves too much AI into their products I’ll drop Mac OS too.

p_v_doom · a month ago
> Where are the environmentalists?

The environmentalists have been screaming from the rooftops about it for a while. But activists can only do so much, compared to huge multinationals with marketing budgets bigger than some countries GDPs...

sjw987 · a month ago
I hope that what comes from the LLM (I can't call it AI) revolution is a serious society-wide look and discussion about the false economy we currently live in and some ideas to change it.

Let's face it. Huge portions of the population are performing unnecessary jobs in order to sustain themselves. Most products and services available to us today are unnecessary, unsustainable, destructive (economically and socially), and many represent a huge bubble which will hurt us down the line. LLM have exposed the sort of office jobs which have been automatable for years.

We are killing ourselves mentally and spiritually, as well as the planet we live on, so everybody can drive to offices to respond to emails or to create carbon-copies of the same already existing products and hoping marketing makes the difference.

sejje · a month ago
> Most products and services available to us today are unnecessary, unsustainable, destructive (economically and socially

Can you provide some examples of this to anchor your argument?

I can sometimes come up with a few niche jobs, but not really that many overall.

I can also see a lot of bloat in large orgs, but those companies are typically providing big value somewhere.

I just want to understand which jobs we're talking about in this frequently-made argument.

sjw987 · a month ago
Are you kidding? Most products and services on the market are tat. They serve no real purpose (regardless of whether they happen to have customers). It would be easier to list the few things which actually do have value.

If you go into a supermarket, there's only a fraction of aisles that are devoted to food worth eating (unprocessed or lightly processed, providing nutritional value). The rest is 100s of types of unnecessary and mostly destructive junk food and alcohol. If you walk into any shopping district or center, only a handful of businesses are ever selling anything with real value and purpose. The rest is superficial and if it were removed from the high street or never existed in the first place, nobody would miss it. The digital market is at least a little less destructive environmentally, but is still crowded with mostly pointless apps and software.

People always bring up supply and demand, but that doesn't negate the argument that these products are unnecessary, unsustainable and destructive. Add to that, they are often predatory and prey (or the marketing preys) on peoples weaknesses and insecurities.

For every one of these companies selling fast fashion clothes that fall apart after a handful of uses, shoes too impractical for daily use or sportswear, expensive hygiene products which hinge mostly on the way they are displayed in the store, and a million variations of CRUD apps for tracking water consumption and a myriad of other things you could just record in a note, whole teams of people are working away in jobs to produce, market and provide these unnecessary things. They're all polluting the environment (either through industrial production, energy use etc.) and peoples minds (for example, Instagram has been highly damaging to young girls self-esteem and similar services are causing unprecedented mental decline in their userbases), and unsustainable, because 9 times out of 10 all of these products and services are flashes in the pan that will be dead or out of trend (increasingly fast these days).

The only justification a lot of this stuff has is that it gives people employment and their livelihoods. Sometimes that element forces people to be okay with abetting something they fundamentally don't like. One of the largest employers in my local city is Sky Bet (a gambling company). Every single person (hundreds of employees) that works there is propping up a "service" which destroys peoples lives.

Bender · a month ago
I am tired of AI being shoved into everything in a way that makes it "AI first". I don't know exactly what this will end up looking like but rsyslog is trying to do "AI first" in their primary product. Rsyslog is or was a great light-weight and incredibly flexible logging daemon. When I see them say "AI first" it makes me cringe. If AI was a separate, entirely optional bolt on product and package I would not be concerned at all. I am concerned they are about to bloatify, enshittify, hyppeify, crappify a great product. Maybe they won't. Or maybe they lose all sense of priorities and lose great developers and fade into history only to be replaced by some new daemon created without knowing all the lessons learned over the decades and we have to experience all those painful evolutionary steps all over again such as collaborating with hundreds of companies to narrow down interpretations of RFC's. Or maybe they are just leaving out too many details for me.

I see other products trying to do this as well. My intuition tells me this is not going to end well. I could be entirely wrong. I really hope I am wrong. Maybe it's just purely hype and products will not lose what makes them great. Maybe it will just be some burnt development cycles. Or maybe it will really just be making new application connectors, formatting and protocols to be more AI friendly.

[1] - https://www.rsyslog.com/rsyslog-goes-ai-first-a-new-chapter-...

DANmode · a month ago
Oh, I see the problem.

You're using consumer-tier level gear.

So they're assuming consumer-tier level desires.

Try some professional gear.

DANmode · a month ago
PS Installing consumer driver and or config stuff like that is a classic trap for spyware and accidental vulns.

Alternatives to Logi Options+ include BetterMouse, LinearMouse, and Barrier, which offer similar customization and functionality for Logitech devices.

These options can help reduce resource usage and provide a smoother experience.

lucideng · a month ago
I will look at those options, thank you!