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icosian · 9 months ago
Only about a dozen years ago Bletchley was inviting former codebreakers back for an annual reunion. I used to go along to hear the talks, meet some of them and get books signed, including by Betty Webb. I'm glad they eventually got the recognition they deserved.

We have almost lost the chance now to hear personal testimony of WWII. I've met several Battle of Britain pilots too, but the last died in Dublin recently:

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2025/0318/1502596-hemingway/

zeke · 9 months ago
In 2001 in the small town of Hartsville SC, one of the youngest code breakers gave his last two public talks. He had been hired by Turing because he was one of the few studying both math and German at the start of the war.

Besides being very interesting it felt odd to hear all this in such an out of the way place. Well after the war he collaborated on some books with a professor teaching at the college there.

sys32768 · 9 months ago
Two years ago my mother's memory care home had an American Battle of the Bulge veteran and Bronze Star winner who was sharp as a tack.

He was 99 and said he just wanted to live to be 100, but sadly he didn't make it.

I remember my late grandmother telling us they had made mittens for my great uncle, but he died in that battle before the mittens arrived.

Crazy to think I passed up my chance to have a cup of coffee with a man who might have fought beside my great uncle.

nonrandomstring · 9 months ago
Most of them were told "Never, ever speak about any of this".

And they didn't.

Like the Zanryu Nipponhei [0], they were loyal to the last. Even my own father kept things about his airforce days way too tightly wrapped up long, long after the official secrets sell-by date. I have some admiration for this, but in the end it's a loss to historical record.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_holdout

DocTomoe · 9 months ago
Consider it a blessing. Those orders were about controlling history much more than 'secrets': Many things done in war are later considered war crimes. Your admiration might have taken a hit had he started talking gleefully about the time he - just to pick a random example of things that happened - heroically shot fleeing "enemy" children on the ground.
andrepd · 9 months ago
It's insane how the largest conflict in human history is just now passing out of living memory. It's also insane how 1 in 4 Americans under 40 believe the holocaust is a fabrication or exaggeration.
wil421 · 9 months ago
Do you have a source or are you flamebating[1]?

The myriad of trash google results on the topic aren’t even close to 1 in 4. Even an Israeli tabloid says it’s 1 in 10.

[1]https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

louthy · 9 months ago
> It's insane how the largest conflict in human history is just now passing out of living memory.

Don’t worry, there will be another one along any minute now.

dylan604 · 9 months ago
the power of disinformation on social media platforms is apparently stronger than classroom teaching. it doesn't help that what is taught in classrooms is just getting worse for $reasons which is only going to get worse now that states are going to do whatever they want with schools now.

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kitd · 9 months ago
> She and her guests were treated to a fly-past by a Lancaster bomber. She said at the time: "It was for me - it's unbelievable isn't it? Little me."

That's fantastic! RIP.

juliangamble · 9 months ago
I did the tour of Bletchley Park today and my Tour Guide said he'd met Betty Webb, that he mourned her loss, and that when he had met her at a reunion, she had remained tight-lipped about what her work had been on.
toomuchtodo · 9 months ago
tocs3 · 9 months ago
From wikipedia:

some tasks performed include registering messages on little cards, which Webb believes totaled 10,000 a day in the whole park, and organizing the cards into shoeboxes according to a strict order so they could be retrieved efficiently when called for.

I suppose times have changed.

eitland · 9 months ago
More interestingly IMO:

> In Block F, she worked on intercepted Japanese messages, something she excelled at so much that she was later sent to Washington to support the American war effort.[6]

dylan604 · 9 months ago
they called them computers for a reason
hermitShell · 9 months ago
Technology has changed for sure. Is our usage of human capital any better as a whole? Probably not. So many BS jobs out there.
linsomniac · 9 months ago
Somewhat unrelated: I'm hoping to go to Bletchley Park this summer, any recommendations?
cjs_ac · 9 months ago
The main 'Bletchley Park' exhibition is good, but it focuses on the human experience of the code breakers. Head around the corner from the car park to the National Museum of Computing (also on the Bletchley Park site) to see more technical exhibitions: they give proper demonstrations of the machines invented at Bletchley, as well as the oldest working computer in the world (which was computing prime numbers when I visited).

https://www.tnmoc.org/

tialaramex · 9 months ago
Also, and not obvious, because these two entities are distinct despite occupying the same site: they're not always open at the same time. So if you want to see both, even if you plan to spend more time at one than the other, check they're both open.

Whether something is the first computer is - inevitably - a definitional argument, but TNMOC has several candidates (though not all of them) including (a modern reproduction of, the original was destroyed as a secret) Colossus which is famous because of its involvement in the war.

Bletchley Park is also still an actual stateley home, all the war stuff was built on somebody's grounds - there's a good chance you either don't care about stately homes or you're intending to visit a more interesting one (or indeed one of the Royal Palaces), in which case no need to care, but that's a third distinct thing on the same site.

[Edited to make clear there is no original Colossus, we destroyed it because it was a secret]

whyage · 9 months ago
I wouldn't skip the main exhibition area. In an era where people were called computers, the human experience was at the heart of the Bletchley Park machine. In the main area, you learn about the makeup of this apparatus: the different roles people had, how information flowed within and between the huts, and much more. There's also a little museum with fascinating artifacts and an area dedicated to Turing. Don't miss it.
hermitcrab · 9 months ago
Agreed, it is well worth visiting both.
icosian · 9 months ago
I don't know if they are still in print but Bletchley Park Trust published a great series of monographs on particular aspects of the codebreaking story there. Highly technical, written by specialists, sometimes by people who had worked there. I picked up a load of them when I was there and can recommend.
easterncalculus · 9 months ago
Definitely enjoy the scenery. I've done Bletchley and the National Cryptologic Museum, the former is in a genuinely beautiful location, especially if you have sun.
nemo44x · 9 months ago
They have a neat computer history museum there so make time for that too.
7373737373 · 9 months ago
This book, written by the man who created and ran the organization responsible for distributing the decrypted messages to political and military leaders: https://archive.org/details/ultrasecret00wint/

Really shows the extent and impact of this knowledge - they virtually sat at the same table as the Nazi high command.

peterburkimsher · 9 months ago
@dang For the sake of Dave Täht and Betty Webb, I believe a black bar is justified even on the 1st of April.

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damnitbuilds · 9 months ago
Did her colleagues use to say "My first computer was a ... Betty Webb" ?
billfruit · 9 months ago
Any good book that delves into the detail of the code breaking done at Bletchley park?
jefc1111 · 9 months ago
This is a great book and touches on the subject you mention https://simonsingh.net/books/the-code-book/
hermitcrab · 9 months ago
Having read this book, I set some codes for my son to break. Each code, once broken, told him the location of the next coded message. And they got progressively harder. It was a fun challenge.
hermitcrab · 9 months ago
The author of this book also runs an excellent weekly maths newsletter/quiz for 11-16 year olds, and it's free:

https://parallel.org.uk/parallelograms

AndrewOMartin · 9 months ago
The Hut 6 Story, goes into enough detail that Gordon Welchman (Simply put, Turing's boss) lost his security clearance. If you care about the human side, but are keen to take on the details there's no better book possible.
louthy · 9 months ago
Another vote for The Hut Six Story.

The title includes ‘Six’ not ‘6’ (not that it should trip up a search algo, but you never know)

hermitShell · 9 months ago
If you would enjoy loosely related fiction, Neal Stephenson Cryptonomicon is an option I would personally recommend. You must have some tolerance for his particular style and content…
rjsw · 9 months ago
Or Enigma by Robert Harris.
cguess · 9 months ago
If you want a book in the same vein, and contemporary with Bletchley "Turning's Cathedral" by George Dyson is about the Institute for Advanced Study and the Manhattan Project. Needless to say there's a lot of overlap and it really defines the culture of computer engineering at the time.
themadturk · 9 months ago
On the American side, "The Woman Who Smashed Codes" by Jason Fagone is really good.
jtcond13 · 9 months ago
"The Theory that Would Not Die" by Sharon McGrayne has a good chapter on this, book is a more general history of Bayesian statistics.