I guess Canon versus non-Canon and the use of multi-verses crop up as you keep adding more shows and content to an IP. Happened of course to Marvel first, and Star Wars is dealing with a lot of Canon issues the last 2 decades, https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Canon#Canon_and_Legends_(20... and now Star Trek is having more of these issues.
I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in Harry Potter soon if it hasn't already.
Aren't only the books in Harry Potter cannon? The movies are segregated, if anything from the overlap period fed back into the books it was probably a mistake.
In my opinion, it's one of the worst (non canon now) Star Trek shows but it does get marginally better if you can struggle through the first season or two.
I would not recommend it unless you have nothing else to watch
I dropped it about half-way through season 2. Even if you pretend it's not Star Trek and treat it as a stand-alone show, it's terrible. The characters are not likeable and there is no depth to the story. It seems like they just stuck together some bells and whistles to impress the modern crowd and called it a day.
Depends, wokespotting is a complex sport, and I only trust professionals to do it.
I tried myself, but failed. At first I thought it meant the movie was either feminist, antiracist and/or Marxist, but it then became clear it was actually an union of unpopular and one of the three criteria (see no time to die, or guardian 3 that are suddenly not woke). So from this, Star Trek, despite being the most Marxist utopia ever, isn't woke, since it's popular.
But Barbie is quite popular and still woke. But Alien is not despite featuring the biggest Mary Sue. Like I said, to complex for me, I leave wokespotting to professionals.
This is a fan theory and explosion of a little fan service that Lower Decks did.
Discovery is mostly bad, but based on the first half of S1, I think there was a screenwriting seed of a much better show that got mutated. Jason Isaacs's base character was wonderful, it would have been awesome to see a crew with a captain that is controversial and not liked. It would have been a great twist on ST shows where captains are always spotless role models. Clicks in the team, conflicts of interest would have been a bold new direction. Also side props for Anthony Rapp.
I've never been able to really get into any Star Trek series, with one major exception: Lower Decks
I'm sad to see it isn't getting renewed, but glad to see that it gets to stay canon, especially considering that it constantly mocks the extremes of what is Star Trek canon.
> best thing Trek has done since Archer’s Enterprise
That’s an unexpected statement, I thought Archer’s Enterprise wasn’t considered a good series[1]. I personally prefer others; I guess everyone has their own favorite.
[1]: “Following the pilot, the critical reaction became mixed. David Segal said in The Washington Post that the series ‘has a bargain basement feel that lands this side of camp.’", https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise
Enterprise started to get good once they realized what people wanted in a prequel series was to see elements of original Trek, humans struggling to get their footing in the galaxy, and how the Federation came to be. Unfortunately they wasted time on the Xindi arc/Temporal Cold War nonsense, and the ending was just an insult.
But I think that, like Voyager, it's gotten a retroactive boost in popularity. Apparently the same thing has happened for Star Wars? Lots of fans of the prequels and new trilogy, when original fans despised them.
In part, the "Enterprise wasn't that bad" has come as mostly in comparison to modern Trek, with the exception of Strange New Worlds and possibly Lower Decks.
I liked Enterprise when it first aired. It was no where near as good as Deep Space Nine and Voyager still felt more like TNG, but as a whole, those older shows stand together. But Picard was awful (somehow, S2 didn't happen and the Borg returned), Discovery was awful (S5 was middling but better).
It's the same with Star Wars. Episode 1 through 3 did suck, but were nowhere near as bad as 7 through 9. Episodes 1 through 3 made the whole series Vader's story, with Luke's echo part of Vader's own redemption. It added something. The new ones added nothing. Worse, they were the beginnings of the attempt to tear everything down (Luke bad, Jedi bad, you don't need training, you don't need self-control...).
> Generally, all live-action Star Trek television series and films have been considered part of the canon, up to the point of contradiction or material the creators consider bad. Star Trek: Lower Decks and Star Trek: Prodigy are accepted as canonical as well.
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I wouldn't be surprised to see this happen in Harry Potter soon if it hasn't already.
In my opinion, it's one of the worst (non canon now) Star Trek shows but it does get marginally better if you can struggle through the first season or two.
I would not recommend it unless you have nothing else to watch
Kinda sad Dadmiral Vance's replicator quote is technically non canon now.
I never knew that the action packed space drama came from a preachy arduous allegory to irrelevant social dilemmas. Unwatchable.
The rebrands are pretty interesting but I’m trying to figure out how those even happened now.
How did the IP go from controversial lessons to flashy space wars.
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I tried myself, but failed. At first I thought it meant the movie was either feminist, antiracist and/or Marxist, but it then became clear it was actually an union of unpopular and one of the three criteria (see no time to die, or guardian 3 that are suddenly not woke). So from this, Star Trek, despite being the most Marxist utopia ever, isn't woke, since it's popular.
But Barbie is quite popular and still woke. But Alien is not despite featuring the biggest Mary Sue. Like I said, to complex for me, I leave wokespotting to professionals.
Discovery is mostly bad, but based on the first half of S1, I think there was a screenwriting seed of a much better show that got mutated. Jason Isaacs's base character was wonderful, it would have been awesome to see a crew with a captain that is controversial and not liked. It would have been a great twist on ST shows where captains are always spotless role models. Clicks in the team, conflicts of interest would have been a bold new direction. Also side props for Anthony Rapp.
Try this link instead which seems to extract some of the original article
https://www.reddit.com/r/trektalk/comments/1hk8c34/opinion_g...
I'm sad to see it isn't getting renewed, but glad to see that it gets to stay canon, especially considering that it constantly mocks the extremes of what is Star Trek canon.
That’s an unexpected statement, I thought Archer’s Enterprise wasn’t considered a good series[1]. I personally prefer others; I guess everyone has their own favorite.
[1]: “Following the pilot, the critical reaction became mixed. David Segal said in The Washington Post that the series ‘has a bargain basement feel that lands this side of camp.’", https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Enterprise
But I think that, like Voyager, it's gotten a retroactive boost in popularity. Apparently the same thing has happened for Star Wars? Lots of fans of the prequels and new trilogy, when original fans despised them.
I liked Enterprise when it first aired. It was no where near as good as Deep Space Nine and Voyager still felt more like TNG, but as a whole, those older shows stand together. But Picard was awful (somehow, S2 didn't happen and the Borg returned), Discovery was awful (S5 was middling but better).
It's the same with Star Wars. Episode 1 through 3 did suck, but were nowhere near as bad as 7 through 9. Episodes 1 through 3 made the whole series Vader's story, with Luke's echo part of Vader's own redemption. It added something. The new ones added nothing. Worse, they were the beginnings of the attempt to tear everything down (Luke bad, Jedi bad, you don't need training, you don't need self-control...).
> Generally, all live-action Star Trek television series and films have been considered part of the canon, up to the point of contradiction or material the creators consider bad. Star Trek: Lower Decks and Star Trek: Prodigy are accepted as canonical as well.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_canon