I know of a even more impressive website that will transfer playlists from Spotify (or 20 other platforms, including text files) to 20 other platforms or a text file. I will share the link, but don't hug it to death y'all. :)
I used this. It worked fine. It's a shame it's necessary though... I wish there was some kind of vendor-neutral import/export format rather than requiring a third party to solve the whole matrix of integrations.
The music industry needs to more widely use some kind of equivalent to the ISBN that the book industry uses. A simple "ISMN" list per playlist/library would be all that would be needed to move between services when both apps have the same songs.
One could also imagine a standardized ismn://<number> URL format that could open in your preferred music app, and this could work even without a streaming service if you already own that song in your personal music collection.
But, I've never actually seen it used for recordings; it seems to be focused solely on music notation. So, it would be nice to have some kind of recording-focused identifier for keeping track of specific performances between services.
> I wish there was some kind of vendor-neutral import/export format rather than requiring a third party to solve the whole matrix of integrations.
"vendor-neutral import/export format" sounds like the definition of third party. It's not that there shouldn't be a third party, it's that spotify etc. should adopt it.
I recently made a transition from Spotify to Tidal and found the suggested transfer service to do the job really clumsy. In my case I've transferred favorite artists and the service was just trying to match them by name which failed miserably when there was more than one with the same name - seemingly it picked one randomly. I wonder how this service would do.
I recently made the switch as well and used spotify_to_tidal [1] which is the free and open-source alternative to what Tidal recommends and it worked pretty fine! it couldn't find some specific tracks and I bet it does a somewhat similar name match as the one Tidal recommends, but at least this one doesn't have a limitation by the number of tracks, in case it's useful to someone else.
My impression is that Tidal does a bad job of this in general. I have lots of artists I follow on there who have albums appearing on their page from identically named but different artists.
Anyone know of a technical solution to retrieve a list of 'titles' for deleted videos from a youtube playlist? Have at least 10x Playlists full of removed/deleted music that has been inappropriately copyright striked, but I can't even reconstitute the playlists as I don't have the Title/Artist for the removed tracks.
I love TuneMyMusic, I exported my Spotify when I left, imported everything to Deezer, and now I periodically export everything from Deezer so I can slice and dice it in Excel for various reasons.
That’s the one I used when I moved from Spotify to YouTube music. Luckily my playlists contained less than 500 songs so the whole migration was easy and free.
If this does as you say it does… thank you for posting this. Ive been thinking of trying to get away from spotify but felt trapped at the playlist loss. My kid are now conditioned for instant music that might be the bigger challenge.
I found Soundiiz pretty bad, at least when transferring from Spotify and Apple Music to Youtube Music. It failed to find about a hundred tracks from the library of couple of thousand tracks, and they weren't some niche, rare things, too. I had to manually search for them, using the same titles, and found most of them.
I made a very simple chrome extension that automatically redirects you to your preferred music service when visiting another service. In my case I have it set to YouTube Music, so if I click a Spotify (or other) link in Slack, I'll be redirected to YouTube Music.
I'd love to actually buy music and store it myself, as I've started noticing more and more that some of the songs I have on Spotify have started to disappear, but I find it very difficult to buy modern music anymore. Most gets released as singles, and as far as I know, to only streaming platforms. Is there a way to still buy the same kind of music that is on streaming platforms, and actually get the audio files?
Or going to their live shows if they happen to come to a venue near you.
Or by buying vinyl at a local record store. Sadly, those are dying out, but you can find one or two good ones in any major city.
In electronic, hip-hop, and a lot of music that has a lot of computer-assisted production, a lot of producers will also release sample packs or VST presets that they sell directly on their websites. While often in small amounts, $50 or less, it more often than not goes directly to the artist with very little middlemen involved. While not a huge stream of revenue I'd imagine, it probably does help smaller artists if they can count on an additional couple hundred bucks a month from people that truly appreiciate their craft and I'd bet that if I reached out to artist XYZ whose music is no longer available on major platforms and said "hey i have been to a few of your shows, bought all your sample packs, and I can't find your tracks anymore" the artist, if small enough, would probably oblige and send along a nice little folder of music.
When I moved country and updated my credit card in Spotify to my card from the new country Spotify also changed my “region”. As a result there are so many songs I have “starred”/“added”/“liked” (whatever fucking language they’re using for it now) are just greyed out and unplayable.
Anyway as for actually getting copies of the music I listen to I think we should just pirate it completely unashamedly.
some time ago when I canceled spotify, they show this special playlist like "we'll miss you" or whatever, and each of the song names, in order, spell out this little goodbye message. Ironically one of the songs in that playlist was greyed out and unplayable. Like, great job reminding me why I'm canceling :)
It's probably not Spotify's fault though, but it's actually on account of being able to finely control legal ownership of licensed songs. This is all insane imo, but legally sound. Welcome to the future.
I've been doing this, and here in Canada https://ca.7digital.com/ is literally the only option I've found that let's you buy normal MP3s, would highly recommend. I've been able to get modern albums without a hitch, but don't know about modern singles. I think in the US Amazon let's you buy MP3s, but not sure there.
For the price of a Spotify subscription, I can usually buy a new album every month! Which is great; and I love slowly growing my album collection.
While it’s more of a treasure hunt, I really enjoy browsing for and buying physical CDs, especially second hand. Albums are often $1, they sound as good as when they were released and they’re easily convertible to any other audio format, including lossless, 16-bit, 44.1khz formats. The only thing better is SACD, but finding that is like a diamond in the rough and ripping it is its own challenge unless you have the right equipment.
People are crazy for vinyl, but CDs are just _so_ convenient.
If the store of your choice offers FLAC as an option (and I think they all do), you can simply make your own MP3s from the FLAC files. That's one of the biggest advantages of lossless audio. (The improvement in audio quality is actually pretty minimal, for most people.)
You can also keep the FLAC files to convert them to some future format later, or even do something really wild like burn them to a CD or something.
As an equally reluctant option one side or the other to Amazon, Apple's "iTunes Store" still exists and is "mostly" DRM free, if you don't mind AAC and friends (MP4 Audio) rather than MP3. It's getting harder and harder to find those Buy buttons, especially if you start from an Apple Music link/the Apple Music app, but it's currently no worse than Amazon as Amazon and Apple seem deep in direct competition on how hard they make it to find Buy buttons.
> I'd love to actually buy music and store it myself...
Qobuz. For a start they only do lossless: no mp3. We're soon a quarter of a century into the 21st: gone are the Napster days of needing to stream mp3s.
Then Qobuz often has albums in higher quality than 44.1 kHz / 16-bit stereo. Not that you'll hear the difference: but artists/sound engineer going to the trouble of offering higher sample rate / bit depth typically do care about producing good sounding music so there's that.
Then Qobuz allows you to do precisely what you want: you can buy individual tracks or full albums to download, no DRM.
I've got both a collection of audio files I ripped myself from my own CDs (which I keep too), in a 100% bitperfect / lossless way (verified with an online DB of people who also ripped their CDs) and a Qobuz subscription.
The one criticism about Qobuz would be that music discovery ain't the best out there: the UI is actually quite bad. But it's good stuff for people who care about quality and who love to own their music.
Most network streaming devices now support Qobuz: for example I've got a fully integrated Yamaha amp that contains a network streamer (Yamaha R-N1000A) and MusicCast (Yamaha's music streaming app, like Sonos I guess but Yamaha) supports Qobuz (and Tidal and Spotify).
You don't just rent temporary access to an online service that may disappear under your feet or remove songs you used to listen to: you can actually buy and own individual tracks.
Check the plans they have: depending on how many songs you buy, one may be better than the other.
IIUC Spotify, under the pressure of both Tidal and Qobuz, announced they'll be moving to lossless streaming. It's 2024. At fucking last.
Qobuz removed a range of releases a couple months ago at short notice, including from users' accounts. Hopefully their catalog remains strong as it's about the only online-only store with lossless that has a wide variety of mainstream artists.
I'll also mention: Bleep.com, Boomkat, Ninja Tune (label that directly sells), Junodownload.
I look for music on bandcamp, 7digital, and then amazon music in that order. All offering drm free mp3 and flac files. I don't think there has been something I wanted that I havem't been able to find yet.
The subscription pays tidal, but tidal only pays out based on usage... The artist gets about $0.01 per stream.
The best way to support artists is to purchase albums the week they're released... Sales numbers are a key metric when labels decide touring and investment in the next album... Could mean a better studio or more resources...
If you are committed to the download off of tidal strategy, then please make a playlist of the tracks you download and play it overnight... Otherwise, none of your money supports the artists you listen to.
I recently learned about buying Mp3s on Amazon. Most CD purchase pages have a "purchase options" and you can do Mp3s. I do that for mainstream things for my kids that aren't on bandcamp (such as music from a kids TV show).
I'm actually working on a IoT device where one of the main goals was selfhosting audio content for my kids. Uses AI for the user interface. Similar to Alexa but battery powered. Still in private beta (orders are closed right now) but here is the link for anyone curious. https://heycurio.com/
Ah. AG Talking Bear meets LLM. I started working on something similar a year back - but tried to keep it restricted to offline which made it more challenging since inference on CPU of raspberry PI limits you to very small models.
Sending voice clips of children to an always listening server is just a bit too dystopian for me.
I like Qobuz too, but have a couple issues with it:
* The prices are a lot higher there than anywhere else
* They don't remember my payment information. I would opt-in to this if it's a legal concern. It's so annoying every single time having to enter it in all over again. I'd do PayPal but they charge a fee these days.
* Their tar'd up download format sucks, and requires me doing a lot of re-naming and re-foldering things to get it to a sane format.
* They started removing some of the things I PAID FOR from my account. Not cool. It's fine if you have to remove it from sale but removing it from my account should not be legal.
* Many popular tracks from otherwise not-so-popular albums are locked so you can't buy just that song, you need to buy the whole album
* If you've bought a few songs from an album, you don't get an appropriate discount if you later decide to buy the whole album - which some digital stores are good about.
Used CDs are dirt cheap. Local thrift stores here tend to price them at $1-$1.50 each. Of course, the dedicated "record" stores tend to be closer to $6-10, but they're more likely to have things other than thousands of country albums.
I have the most luck going to the artist websites or social media. They often have links to different storefronts to buy physical and digital copies. The majority are on Bandcamp, but larger groups also release on Amazon.
As someone approaching 50, the return of Vynil is quite strange feeling.
I now see record stores so full of Vynil that it feels like I timetraveled back to my teenage years when CDs started to being sold, alongside laser discs on a little store corner.
Most gets released as singles, and as far as I know, to only streaming platforms.
Analog hole.
It takes a bit of time, but if you really care about the music, it's worth it.
Note: I suspect that the streaming services watermark the songs. I have some from Apple Music that it refuses to sync over its cloud service. Doesn't bother me, though, because I primarily sync via wire.
Some artists sell them directly either from the site, or at their concerts, the German region I live on still has several stores, and so far I also managed to get several MP3 albuns.
I don't use streaming platforms other than being aware of new musicians in YouTube, which I eventually buy their albums.
iTunes and Amazon have pretty much every song you'd want to buy.
Nope. Not even remotely. Only if your taste in music is very narrow.
Just this weekend I tried to buy some Christmas songs that were popular and common on the radio in the 80's. I could only find about half of them on Amazon or Apple Music.
Most had some version available, but not the canonical one I grew up with. Some didn't exist at all.
I don't understand why other people are hating on Kanye's music. I understand that he is not a very likeable person, but his music is damn good y'all. Especially the ones you tried :D
I don't think hating or lauding his music is really appropriate in this thread --it's kind of off topic. We can admit it's subjective and tastes will vary.
I don't see the problem here: it looks like it's working extremely well, and in fact doing you a huge favor, if it redirects you from Kanye West to anything else. Why on earth would you want to listen to Kanye West when you can listen to Depeche Mode instead?
They do need to fix the bug with the album art though.
> It would be fantastic to have this as an extension for us, Firefox users. I hope someone makes one someday.
If there's some easy way to figure out where that id parameter in the results page comes from (I assume some simple hash of the link), then you could probably even just make it a bookmarklet.
One of the best services I get from my Nas is the ability to save the music there and be able to stream to my phone. I prefer to buy some music and have it there than relying in any subscription service.
I have an old synology nas thats running Navidrome in a docker container.
On my iPhone I use play:sub and point it to the local ip and port associated Navidrome.
When I’m away I access the network through a WireGuard connection (set up on a protectli router running opnsense). Before I used traefik to expose it to the web.
When I used to maintain a discord music bot, it used to stream from YouTube. For Spotify urls to work though, I had to get YouTube search to work reliably. One trick which I found worked well was including the Spotify URL in the YouTube search along with the song name, artist name, etc. This helped quite a bit with picking out the "official" youtube video, since the official one often includes Spotify links in the video description, which YouTube search also matches against.
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https://app.tunemymusic.com/transfer
One could also imagine a standardized ismn://<number> URL format that could open in your preferred music app, and this could work even without a streaming service if you already own that song in your personal music collection.
ISMN seems to exist: https://www.loc.gov/ismn/about.html
But, I've never actually seen it used for recordings; it seems to be focused solely on music notation. So, it would be nice to have some kind of recording-focused identifier for keeping track of specific performances between services.
"vendor-neutral import/export format" sounds like the definition of third party. It's not that there shouldn't be a third party, it's that spotify etc. should adopt it.
[1] https://github.com/spotify2tidal/spotify_to_tidal
https://www.obdura.com/playlisty/
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/music-link/gnhphofp...
https://github.com/leddt/music-link
I guess this is a free service? E.g https://api.song.link/v1-alpha.1/links?url=https://open.spot...
Or just buy off Bandcamp if its an option.
Or by buying vinyl at a local record store. Sadly, those are dying out, but you can find one or two good ones in any major city.
In electronic, hip-hop, and a lot of music that has a lot of computer-assisted production, a lot of producers will also release sample packs or VST presets that they sell directly on their websites. While often in small amounts, $50 or less, it more often than not goes directly to the artist with very little middlemen involved. While not a huge stream of revenue I'd imagine, it probably does help smaller artists if they can count on an additional couple hundred bucks a month from people that truly appreiciate their craft and I'd bet that if I reached out to artist XYZ whose music is no longer available on major platforms and said "hey i have been to a few of your shows, bought all your sample packs, and I can't find your tracks anymore" the artist, if small enough, would probably oblige and send along a nice little folder of music.
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Anyway as for actually getting copies of the music I listen to I think we should just pirate it completely unashamedly.
For the price of a Spotify subscription, I can usually buy a new album every month! Which is great; and I love slowly growing my album collection.
People are crazy for vinyl, but CDs are just _so_ convenient.
You can also keep the FLAC files to convert them to some future format later, or even do something really wild like burn them to a CD or something.
I just went to Amazon and found what's advertised as "mp3" for a recent Taylor Swift album.
Qobuz. For a start they only do lossless: no mp3. We're soon a quarter of a century into the 21st: gone are the Napster days of needing to stream mp3s.
Then Qobuz often has albums in higher quality than 44.1 kHz / 16-bit stereo. Not that you'll hear the difference: but artists/sound engineer going to the trouble of offering higher sample rate / bit depth typically do care about producing good sounding music so there's that.
Then Qobuz allows you to do precisely what you want: you can buy individual tracks or full albums to download, no DRM.
I've got both a collection of audio files I ripped myself from my own CDs (which I keep too), in a 100% bitperfect / lossless way (verified with an online DB of people who also ripped their CDs) and a Qobuz subscription.
The one criticism about Qobuz would be that music discovery ain't the best out there: the UI is actually quite bad. But it's good stuff for people who care about quality and who love to own their music.
Most network streaming devices now support Qobuz: for example I've got a fully integrated Yamaha amp that contains a network streamer (Yamaha R-N1000A) and MusicCast (Yamaha's music streaming app, like Sonos I guess but Yamaha) supports Qobuz (and Tidal and Spotify).
You don't just rent temporary access to an online service that may disappear under your feet or remove songs you used to listen to: you can actually buy and own individual tracks.
Check the plans they have: depending on how many songs you buy, one may be better than the other.
IIUC Spotify, under the pressure of both Tidal and Qobuz, announced they'll be moving to lossless streaming. It's 2024. At fucking last.
https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/shop
https://bandcamp.com/
I'll also mention: Bleep.com, Boomkat, Ninja Tune (label that directly sells), Junodownload.
While not legal, having the subscription fix any moral problems I’d have with the idea.
The best way to support artists is to purchase albums the week they're released... Sales numbers are a key metric when labels decide touring and investment in the next album... Could mean a better studio or more resources...
If you are committed to the download off of tidal strategy, then please make a playlist of the tracks you download and play it overnight... Otherwise, none of your money supports the artists you listen to.
I'm actually working on a IoT device where one of the main goals was selfhosting audio content for my kids. Uses AI for the user interface. Similar to Alexa but battery powered. Still in private beta (orders are closed right now) but here is the link for anyone curious. https://heycurio.com/
Sending voice clips of children to an always listening server is just a bit too dystopian for me.
* The prices are a lot higher there than anywhere else
* They don't remember my payment information. I would opt-in to this if it's a legal concern. It's so annoying every single time having to enter it in all over again. I'd do PayPal but they charge a fee these days.
* Their tar'd up download format sucks, and requires me doing a lot of re-naming and re-foldering things to get it to a sane format.
* They started removing some of the things I PAID FOR from my account. Not cool. It's fine if you have to remove it from sale but removing it from my account should not be legal.
* Many popular tracks from otherwise not-so-popular albums are locked so you can't buy just that song, you need to buy the whole album
* If you've bought a few songs from an album, you don't get an appropriate discount if you later decide to buy the whole album - which some digital stores are good about.
Try BookOff, yard or estate sales, or "friends of the library" events. You will burn some time searching, but the hunt can be fun on its own.
I now see record stores so full of Vynil that it feels like I timetraveled back to my teenage years when CDs started to being sold, alongside laser discs on a little store corner.
Analog hole.
It takes a bit of time, but if you really care about the music, it's worth it.
Note: I suspect that the streaming services watermark the songs. I have some from Apple Music that it refuses to sync over its cloud service. Doesn't bother me, though, because I primarily sync via wire.
Check your supposed lossless files in Fakin The Funk or manually in Spek and become horrified at how many of them are complete garbage.
I don't use streaming platforms other than being aware of new musicians in YouTube, which I eventually buy their albums.
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Nope. Not even remotely. Only if your taste in music is very narrow.
Just this weekend I tried to buy some Christmas songs that were popular and common on the radio in the 80's. I could only find about half of them on Amazon or Apple Music.
Most had some version available, but not the canonical one I grew up with. Some didn't exist at all.
Two Words by Kanye West: https://open.spotify.com/track/62wtttQzoIA9HnNmGVd9Yq?si=b1b...
Went to Two Words by Milabel Ranque: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=Y64cFG9dfYo
Never Let Me Down by Kanye West: https://open.spotify.com/track/34j4OxJxKznBs88cjSL2j9?si=7ec...
Went to Never Let me Down by Depeche Mode: https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=snILjFUkk_A
Even though the correct album art appeared on the site.
Actually none of the songs I put it are working. Is this what it's supposed to do? Find songs with similar titles?
https://open.spotify.com/track/5qFL2uwfnGU8FccwLMgPNQ?si=b-a...
https://idonthavespotify.donado.co/?id=b3Blbi5zcG90aWZ5LmNvb...
is missing the link to YouTube Music:
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=0IHBCxs7QPE&si=QYvCtGCjKav...
I would get lots of use out of this if it was reliable though! Very useful tiny tool idea.
https://idonthavespotify.donado.co/?id=b3Blbi5zcG90aWZ5LmNvb...
The deezer link was correct, tidal didn't work, others were incorrect.
Still a great idea, I thought about implementing something like this years ago.
When sharing music with a mixed group that I know some don't have spotify, I tend to just fall back to the common denominator of youtube links.
Maybe the misdirection is a feature, not a bug.
They do need to fix the bug with the album art though.
https://idonthavespotify.donado.co/
It would be fantastic to have this as an extension for us, Firefox users. I hope someone makes one someday.
If there's some easy way to figure out where that id parameter in the results page comes from (I assume some simple hash of the link), then you could probably even just make it a bookmarklet.
Works per artist, album, or song.
Create a login to customise URLs.
I'm just a user; I don't have a dog in this race.
I have an old synology nas thats running Navidrome in a docker container.
On my iPhone I use play:sub and point it to the local ip and port associated Navidrome.
When I’m away I access the network through a WireGuard connection (set up on a protectli router running opnsense). Before I used traefik to expose it to the web.
Takes some setup but once it works it’s great.