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madamelic · a year ago
I would be very curious how this landscape changes when you don't consider VC funding as a necessary part of being a startup. I want to see how demographics change due to funding method.

Another interesting point, and this is likely outside the scope you are wanting to do, is to do democraphics -> positive personal financial outcome (ie: people who successfully landed it). The past few years has shown it isn't difficult to start a 'startup' but still difficult to get a positive financial outcome for the people who founded it. I am not saying it will change or one group is better, just curious to see how the demographics hold or if all the "elite school" and "elite employer" ends up washing out where it becomes a coinflip.

From my personal experience, people who went to "elite schools" and/or "elite employers" for an extended period aren't as good of a fit as people who are more 'underdog' background (more startup experience, no big school name or maybe even any college, etc). The Harvard / etc junk in my opinion is just Zuckerbergs/Gate overfitting by VCs (some are great, some are awful; essentially the same as any other school).

keiferski · a year ago
You'd probably have far more 40-50 somethings with a couple decades of experience in the industry their startup is in, who raise funding from co-workers/customers/family members/former employers and not institutions. At that point, your 20 years of experience in the field will outweigh any Ivy League degrees.
p1esk · a year ago
Got data to support your claim?
JumpCrisscross · a year ago
> how this landscape changes when you don't consider VC funding as a necessary part of being a startup

Unicorns are defined by scalability. There are scalable opportunities with low barriers to entry. But they tend to be hypercompetitive and thus a better domain for small business than unicorns. The moment you have barriers to entry and economies of scale you have a decisive advantage for the players with more capital. As such, when talking about unicorns, VC is a necessary condition. (VC firms may not be.)

yobbo · a year ago
Elite schools could just mean "otherwise wealthy enough to take risks".
pragma_x · a year ago
This is how I interpret things. People from that kind of background are also notoriously well-connected, so attempting a startup early or mid career isn't going to damage their ability to go back to the job market. For the rest of us, that would take some explaining at the interview table.
codingwagie · a year ago
The bet is that if they fund 20 Harvard grads, one of them might be like Gates. Even if the rest are duds. The math still kind of works out, they need an outlier.
gunapologist99 · a year ago
> The math still kind of works out

How many Gates are there in a typical Harvard grad cohort? Are 5% of Harvard grads a Gates?

If we're looking at lightning strikes, it seems like we should look at some of the most successful tech CEO's in history, in no particular order.

Gates & Zuck - Harvard (Microsoft and Facebook; both dropped out by end of second year or earlier)

Larry Ellison (Oracle, third richest man in the world in 2000's and currently 9th richest) - dropped out of Univ Illinois and Chicago

Larry Page, Sergein Brin (Google, dropped out of Stanford)

Elon Musk (Tesla/SpaceX/X/PayPal/etc, richest man in world, attended Queen's and then transferred to ivy league U Penn, one of the very few that completed a degree, BS in both Physics and Econ)

Jeff Bezos (Amazon, second richest in world, earned BSE in EE/CS from Princeton, summa cum laude)

Steve Jobs (Apple, dropout Reed College)

Of course, these numbers have such a high p-value that really it amounts to nothing more than a guess or, at best, a hypothesis, and I get that you're just suggesting that those who both get admitted to Harvard and actually complete a full education there have much higher than average rates of being successful, but it seems that the extreme ends of such a graph end up being counter-intuitive, because:

From a very quick review of an admittedly hand-picked assortment of the very small number of "most" successful tech CEO's (whatever that might mean), we can identify a few common characteristics:

1. most did attend a university of varying quality.

2. A minority attended an elite school.

3. most did not complete even their second year.

There are a lot of things that can be read into this, but it does seem to be borne out across most less-regulated industries: founders tend to be smart enough to get into university but perhaps too impatient to stay in for the duration, but leaders of older companies (such as larger and public companies) tend to have at least a four-year degree, although I don't have any hard data about this (particularly because there seems to be a dearth of data for "successful" startup founders outside of the VC world, for any meaning of the word "success".)

codingwagie · a year ago
1. Went to a top school

Prestigious people are essentially handed capital. This drives most of the funding at the very early stage. A random founder with no connections or background needs an MVP product with real traction, and even then may raise on worse terms than a stanford/harvard grad.

Raising venture funding can be thought of as a career path. Its not entrepreneurship. VC backed founders are more similar to hedge fund managers, they essentially get paid out a percentage of the capital they manage, assuming they manage it well. Raise 20M, you are bound to build a business with some revenue.

The bet is that if they fund 20 Harvard grads, one of them might be like Gates. Even if the rest are duds. The math still kind of works out, they need an outlier.

gwbas1c · a year ago
I wouldn't look at that as a "rich get richer" situation. Spend some time with people who attended different calibers of schools, and you'll see that it's not quite so simple to explain, especially when you spend time listening to different peoples' insights about life, and their self discipline. (The kind of insights and discipline needed to start a successful company with VC money.)

The schools aren't gatekeepers to VC networks.

I wouldn't put too much weight on this article. It's just statistics without interpretation, because it doesn't really explain what makes a successful startup founder.

hnhg · a year ago
I have worked closely over the years with people from Ivy League/Oxbridge schools to small universities from developing countries and I would not put the people from the elite institutions at the top of the rankings of discipline or ability from my experience.
codingwagie · a year ago
I live in NYC and have raised capital/am part of social networks of founders in NYC. I have first hand experience with this, I understand the game really well.

The schools absolutely are gatekeepers.

Kalanos · a year ago
In biotech, this is an understatement. PhD's get to develop stuff for years using university funds while on a salary.
cqqxo4zV46cp · a year ago
That feels like a slightly different can of worms, though.
borski · a year ago
That's an entirely different topic
BartjeD · a year ago
And they work slavery hours,6 am to 1am
lettergram · a year ago
> No plan B

That really hits home for me. I decided to start my current company (https://ipcopilot.ai) when I had already been out of work 3 months, I had 4-6 months runway when I left my prior role. Meaning, I had 1-3 months left before I couldn't pay my mortgage when I incorporated my company.

My responsibilities were high: 3 kids, wife due with another baby in 60 days, no source of income, and an estimated 45-60 days of runway. I passed up two mid-six figure jobs to start this business. My wife just said "better make this work", which fair enough haha.

I was able to get 3 funding offers in 45 days & signed the paperwork for funding the day my 4th child was delivered (1 hr after). 48 days after my first VC meeting. Barely able to make my mortgage payment (my co-founder offered to lend me money).

Obviously, didn't tell the VCs how up against the wall I was, but to say it was stressful is an understatement. That said, everything worked out well and business has been doing great. I had to make it work, there literally wasn't another choice. And if this sounds insane, it kind of was, but I saw the opportunity and took it. I'm also sure I would have figured it out if things didn't work out as well, but inexplicably I knew it would work out. Might also play into the: "Unlimited self-belief"... haha

Edmond · a year ago
Intriguing product, definitely something that is a major pain point for inventors.

I do wonder however, I see a couple of the profiles listed show 500+ patents.

Does this indicate that we are now in an era of full fledged "IP spam" or can you argue that inventors have in fact historically been under-rewarded by the difficulty of filing patents? Otherwise that is a lot of patents for someone who isn't building a spacecraft :)

lettergram · a year ago
Haha to be fair, the team I ran was an applied research group that’d partner with teams within the organization. So every month we’d do designs & bring in ML expertise to a new project. Plus we maintained a ton of tools. This resulted in a lot of patents every month. Particularly, around generative AI, autoML, federated learning, etc years before it was popular. So it was a fairly open space, resulting in a high number of patents
api · a year ago
Well I got the impostor syndrome thing down 100%.

The top university factor is probably bias. I mean those schools are good and lots of good people come from them, but people from those schools are also more likely to get funding and other things like top tier employees and co-founders. That's going to create an outsized effect.

Solo founders being older makes a lot of sense because to be successful as a solo founder you need a deeper skill set. You really need to be both technical and business/sales until you can get far enough to hire for the ones you are weaker on.

sakjur · a year ago
> people from those schools are also more likely to get funding and other things like top tier employees and co-founders

You are also likely to come from a family with stable finances, and might be able to afford not working on something tied to a direct income for a while.

borski · a year ago
That may be true for Stanford and Harvard (I don’t know), but a wild majority of MIT students were there on financial aid. There was clearly a spectrum, but overwhelmingly the people at MIT did not seem to be well off.
zeroCalories · a year ago
As someone from a mid tier state school, I've definitely found that people from elite schools work harder and produce more consistently good work. I think this is just anti-elitism cope.
sakjur · a year ago
Do they work harder because they attended elite schools or did they attend elite schools because they worked harder?

It’s all multipliers: a bias existing doesn’t mean that there isn’t also a factor that relates to the quality of the education. You’re more likely to attend a top university if you have good contacts, good finances, and good test scoring already — those are also probable significant factors to whether you’ll successfully start a company. Location also matters–and at least in Europe–VCs, engineering staff, and top-tier universities are often in the same area.

None of that is dismissive of the schools’ qualities, but all those factors contribute to a bias that likely exaggerates the reader’s perception thereof.

jaysonelliot · a year ago
Would have been interesting to see the following factors considered:

• Presence of one or more mentors in their life

• Exposure to successful adult role models in childhood

• Financial ability to survive for extended period of time without income

• Access to talent in their personal network

didgetmaster · a year ago
The title definitely needs to say is "What unicorn startup founders have in common". There are plenty of 'successful' startup founders who never become household names and make billions of dollars.

Bootstrapping a simple startup that eventually generates enough revenue to sustain the founders and perhaps a small team of ICs, is much more common than unicorn companies (they call them unicorns for a reason). Those companies are successful in my book.

flownoon2 · a year ago
> Unlimited self-belief > History of feeling like an imposter

How is this not contradictory?

Kalanos · a year ago
I know that I can achieve anything I put my mind to. I feel like I can shoot lightning from my hands and I wield 2 lightsabres.

However, as a primarily computational and business-oriented founder, I am trying to disrupt an industry that is dominated by scientific PhDs and institute spinouts. So even if my science is really novel, I'm still an outsider.

I'd imagine that most founders are, to an extent, outsiders. You kind of have to be in order to develop a radically new thing. You have to be dissimilar to the status quo.

keiferski · a year ago
"I can accomplish anything, but I won't be really worthy until I accomplish that next big thing."

Rinse and repeat after every significant accomplishment.

NayamAmarshe · a year ago
Not a founder (yet) but I think it's relatable. I believe in myself that I can learn and achieve anything and be really good at it but when I see the seniors and people doing amazing things, I feel like I still have a long way to go and prove myself.
ertgbnm · a year ago
I don't see a contradiction. Self belief means you believe that you can accomplish what you set out to so are willing to bet on yourself and take risks. Feeling like an imposter is a motivational drive from the other end of the spectrum pushing you to continuously improve, holding yourself to a progressively higher standards, and never resting on your laurels.
borski · a year ago
> Feeling like an imposter is a motivational drive from the other end of the spectrum pushing you to continuously improve, holding yourself to a progressively higher standards, and never resting on your laurels.

And also making you depressed. It’s something real to look out for.

Kalanos · a year ago
LOL "Psychological Factors: No plan B + Unlimited self-belief + History of feeling like an imposter"
waysa · a year ago
no sane person would start a company ;)
Joker_vD · a year ago
As a joke goes, an entrepreneur is someone who is willing to work unlimited hours, with no clearly specified days off, for wildly unsure income figures, just so they don't have to work 8 hours 5 days a week with 28 paid vacation days and a stable pay check.