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gnabgib · 2 years ago
Enormous discussion at the time (2021)[0](1683 points, 626 comments)

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26422799

ktosobcy · 2 years ago
I wonder how many users does he have now :-)
sour-taste · 2 years ago
On the front page he says:

2k addresses registered

If you take that as a live counter of the number of subscribers that's 2k a year, and pretty good!

If you take that lifetime registrations that's not so good.

Also assuming that that copy is accurate.

boomboomsubban · 2 years ago
I find it amusing thar about a sixth of the comments are on how couples should handle their finances. Nobody could have guessed that.
MikePlacid · 2 years ago
How to resist commenting on "Darling, would you mind terribly if I spent £1000 on Kazakhstani emoji domains?" ? ))
carstenhag · 2 years ago
Also found a comment from myself warning of using this anywhere near Germany (tldr kz stands for concentration camp).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26423117

eskibars · 2 years ago
I bought xn--mn8h9e.ws a couple years ago just for fun. I think it's fun to own an emoji domain, but what I can say definitely say is that it's still a bad idea to own one if you want to get emails to it.

Popular thick email clients still struggle with utf8 domains and I've fiddled around with several email providers that just have complete failures trying to send as well.

I tried pasting the email address in a bunch of popular services (LinkedIn, Instagram, etc) as my email or the domain as my homepage and most of them treat it as invalid, and I found some legitimate breaking bugs in their services in trying it out.

Edit: case in point, just noticed HN also falls in the camp of unsupported emojis in the text body, so another example :). Added the punycode instead

araes · 2 years ago
Trying this emoji thing out inline. Had not even heard of the auto-symbol translation

As a test, looked for (star).com [might show up with .com, or %E2%98%85.com ?](EDIT: nope) Long form is: https://www.xn--p3h.com/ Source was a question on StackExchange about weird domain names.[1] Seemed to be related to the authors hunt for "prestige" emojis.

Apparently owned by Gregg N. Ostrick of GNO, Inc. bought wayyy back in 2001-04-19. [2] If this is such a new idea, how did Mr. Ostrick buy (star).com back in 2001? Got some hijinks with time traveling retcon sales of emoji names?

Notably, typing the (star) symbol in the browser (Firefox) does seem to work, and gets auto-extended to xn--p3h. Others, like (star)(star)(star) appear to work (xn--p3haa) just have no domain squatter. Others, like crazy bail bonds names, or eBay reviews, such as A(star)++ appear to resolve (https://www.xn--a++-0m5a.com/). However, I'm not sure if those actually work.

Also, confusing stuff. Like Wingdings (star), which turns into unicode << do Not actually go to the what Appear to be visually the same. (https://www.xn--iba.com/) Well beyond G00GLE.com (zerO)(zer0) issues.

[1] https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1719132/how-do-i-registe...

[2] https://www.whois.com/whois/%E2%98%85.com

AndyMcConachie · 2 years ago
aprilnya · 2 years ago
gTLDs have to follow that, ccTLDs not necessarily (is what I got from comments on the original discussion of this blog post.)

Even if emoji was invalid, unicode in general is valid in domain names, and should be converted to punycode. Local domains exist too.

It’s not the email client’s job to decide whether a domain is valid, it’s DNS’.

fragmede · 2 years ago
HN's emoji stripper is intentional. some are supported, eg; ↖↙↗↘

but others are not, so we're reduced to using things like ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to communicate

pferde · 2 years ago
I don't feel like emoji add anything substantial to a textual conversation, it's mostly useless fluff. I don't miss it on HN, so I disagree with your use of "reduced" here. :)
karma_pharmer · 2 years ago

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4ggr0 · 2 years ago
Pretty sure it's because Emojis are Unicode and HN only supports ASCII.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35524948

UncleEntity · 2 years ago
I was playing around with this about a decade ago and discovered one of the dark patterns of the interwebs -- the emoji domain name would first show as 'available' and if I didn't immediately pounce on it I'd go back and it would show up as 'available for auction' or some bullshit.

Pretty sure I ended up buying a turtle and did absolutely nothing with it. Almost had the hammer and sickle for some quality trolling...

--edit--

This just reminded me of reading about Milka (the euro brand) taking away the domain name of a woman named Milka and, being drunk at the time, immediately buying milka.eu.com (or something very similar) and just setting up a webpage with a picture of a statue of Stalin I'd taken while in Hungary. Not too sure why they didn't go after my obvious trademark infringement?

-- edit II because I'd mixed Stella with Milka, my bad Stella.

marckohlbrugge · 2 years ago
I discovered emoji .to domains ~7 years ago and put up a site listing all the available ones [1]

Within a few days almost all of them sold and made a couple grand in affiliate commissions.

I wrote about it here: https://marc.io/emoji-domains

Email forwarding is also a clever use! Nice to get that recurring revenue.

[1] https://xn--f28h.to/

yosito · 2 years ago
I find it a little disingenuous that the author keeps dropping the TLD and describing the emails as cool@<poo>, when the TLD is still part of the email address. Interesting experiment, anyway. I'm surprised that it worked well enough to get a functioning email service working with it. A lot of systems must assume that an email address or domain name wouldn't include emojis.
theideaofcoffee · 2 years ago
Same, switching between <emoji>.cctld. and bare <emoji>. made me question the author's understanding about DNS as a whole, those two are very much different things! Then again, the average tiktok viewer wouldn't, I assume, care too much about needing to tack on .kz to an email as long as there is an emoji in the address.

But yes, it's an amusing (ab)use of punycode, but still fun in spirit.

lysium · 2 years ago
I was wondering how „bob@[rocket]“ works… Thank you for clarifying.
davidw · 2 years ago
This sounds like a subplot of a Neal Stephenson story from back in the day.
jameshart · 2 years ago
An NS version of this story would somehow involve the protagonist needing to travel to Kazakhstan, undertaking a multiple-day journey in a convoy of trucks across some mountains, to secure a meeting with an officious local bureaucrat who turns out to be bribable with in-game currency from a Chinese gacha game he’s obsessed with.
rrr_oh_man · 2 years ago
That sounds very much like my experience in Kazakhstan
spencersolberg · 2 years ago
It would be cool if they took the https://omg.lol approach and let you host a website/page at bob..kz if you purchase bob@.kz
Joker_vD · 2 years ago
Wait, aren't emojis explicitly prohibited from being used in IDNA? Or do the implementers just not bother to read the "IDNA Rules and Derived Property Values" table and simply allow anything that's a correct punycode?
zinekeller · 2 years ago
In summary, countries trump IDNA (and as you notice, it's all ccTLDs - ICANN will stop you if you tried this with a gTLD).
m3047 · 2 years ago
Kazakhstan and DNS. Always always my personal reminder that OWASP applies to all applications, and to always sanitize inputs. DAMHIK!
bolasanibk · 2 years ago
Don’t ask me how I know.
rkagerer · 2 years ago
I bought 40 squeaker balls for my dog, those were also fun.
rrr_oh_man · 2 years ago
But you didn’t have a blog post AND a LinkedIn announcement