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SushiHippie · 2 years ago
What is always missing in these type of discussions, is that these public caching resolvers (like Cloudflare, google, …) are not the "intended" way to query a DNS record.

These resolvers get their DNS records through recursive DNS resolving, which is the "intended" way. Basically when looking up "news.ycombinator.com" they first look up at the root servers (e.g. m.root-servers.net.), what the name server for "com." is (e.g. a.gtld-servers.net.), then through these name servers they look up what the name server for "ycombinator.com." is (e.g. ns-225.awsdns-28.com) and then they look up the subdomain "news.ycombinator.com." at the nameserver for "ycombinator.com.".

"Intended": it's not "unintended", but it's basically just a shortcut to the way you'd normally look up DNS records.

So the example with, it's the same as removing it from a phone book isn't even correct. It would be more like, if you have a database that has a faster access to every phone book, and you'd remove the domain only from that faster access database. While you'd still be able to just look at the phone book, while it may not be as fast or as convenient.

72deluxe · 2 years ago
"We appreciate the efforts of thoughtful judges to learn about how the Internet works"

Very important, but sometimes apparently lacking by those who dream up new legislation.

supriyo-biswas · 2 years ago
Does anyone have a link to the ruling? (It’s presumably in German, but I’d still like to take a look.)

Also, for context: https://torrentfreak.com/dns-resolver-quad9-loses-global-pir...

Mindwipe · 2 years ago
> Cloudflare has no mechanism for blocking websites through 1.1.1.1., and we have never blocked a website through our public resolver

Given 1.1.1.2 & 1.1.1.3 exist this is pretty obviously a massive lie.

Indeed they drive coach and horses through the entire argument of the piece. Apparently unaccountable arbitrary blocking based on lists provided by organisations with a long history of bigotry and that actively discriminate against sex workers and queer people is fine as long as crooks and thieves are protected.

krageon · 2 years ago
What exactly is your point? We should make it worse, because it's already bad?
Mindwipe · 2 years ago
My point is that Cloudflare should either scrap their family filters or stop lying.