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Posted by u/leoff 3 years ago
It's easier and faster to pirate an e-book, than it is to buy it
The end of the year is coming, and I have some funds left from my company learning budget. I wanted to give it back to some of the authors that still help me in my developer journey, by buying some of their work online and hopefully contributing to their income, but the following happened:

1. I went to Amazon, since I have a kindle and didn't want to buy physical books. Amazon doesn't have a shopping card for kindle books, so I started buying them one by one. My company uses Spendesk for managing funds, so for each of the purchase I created a new virtual card and bought them. After a few minutes my Amazon account is blocked for suspicious activity, and ALL my kindle library is wiped, and the funds are returned to my company.

2. Not wanting to give up, I go to a different online store, Thalia, to buy the books again. After buying them, I download the files, which are in an .acsm format, and can only be opened on the Adobe Digital Editions (ADE) software. Once opened, an .epub file is downloaded, and even though I can't transfer the files to my kindle on ADE, I download Calibre to transfer them. Once I try opening them on Calibre, I get an error message saying the files are protected by DRM. Funnily enough, it's possible to remove this DRM protection, but it's also not something completely legal, and makes me question why did I decide to legally buy the e-books in the first place.

After spending hours trying to buy e-books, having my Amazon account blocked, and downloading files that can't be transferred to my Kindle, the only conclusion I come to, is that I'm never buying e-books again.

_Algernon_ · 3 years ago
I'm getting happier with my decision to embrace piracy again by the minute.

This isn't just true for books. Streaming film/TV is essentially cable TV at this point: you either pay out your arse for all streaming services or you have to constantly micromanage different subscriptions. Even if you are happy with the former, there is no way to centrally browse everything so you need 7 different apps.

Not to mention series being removed from streaming platforms because of profit: https://techcrunch.com/2022/12/13/westworld-removed-from-hbo...

You can't even rely on being able to access the media you want in the future if you do it legally. It's insane.

ndsipa_pomu · 3 years ago
Piracy is the answer.

I'm a big fan of old scifi films and series and the more obscure ones are getting harder to track down. Quite a lot of the stuff produced in the early 70s is sometimes available on DVD which can easily be ripped, but it depends on whether it was popular enough for them to issue it.

With some old BBC series, I'm in the position of paying for a license, but not everything is available. Just before Xmas, I was searching for M.R.James Christmas Ghost Story adaptations and whilst I was able to get the newer Mark Gatiss produced ones from iPlayer, the older "Tractate Middoth" isn't available (https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03n2rnf).

There's going to be so many lost productions unless pirates get together to hoard old media.

prox · 3 years ago
I think society as a whole should have a long and in depth discussion on piracy in the first place. Piracy in the digital age is a weasel word used by vested interests. For instance datahoarding could be seen as a service to society.

There is no actual pirating going on when you copy a digital file. Now there could be a loss of income if it grows out of control and artists are not being compensated. So obviously the discussion should focus on that.

Steam already solved piracy for gaming. Make it easy to download and manage your games. Apparently the same hasn’t played out for movies and songs on the whole.

majkinetor · 3 years ago
You can literarry find everything, but for rarest stuff you need to search for dedicated private commune.

FYI: https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5940948

raffraffraff · 3 years ago
I grabbed those old M.R.James Christmas Ghost Stories years ago (no idea where I downloaded them from but they were obviously rips from fairly recent BBC broadcasts). BBC used to have an online shop where you could buy things legitimately but they shut it down. No idea why.

Tractate Middoth adaptation is awful Gatiss tripe. (He's so hit-and-miss, and this is a miss for me). It's also on YouTube:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5MlQgGu6nCU

My favorite of those M R.James adaptations, by far, is A View From A Hill. It's on YouTube.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lGh0ybk-xyk

clnq · 3 years ago
And for most non-English books and movies, good luck buying them anywhere in the English-speaking world.
bacchusracine · 3 years ago
>I'm a big fan of old scifi films and series and the more obscure ones are getting harder to track down.

Gets even harder when you're dealing with hearing loss and it's nearly impossible to find subtitles for some older releases, despite there having been such when they were available....even for some non-obscure stuff. Some stuff is sitting in streaming-rights purgatory, the last release was on DVD and no one has it any more, etc etc...

The people at OpenSubtitles.org do their best to curate a good collection but those are only as good as the people who upload them.

qwertfisch · 3 years ago
Doesn't the BBC offer a service where you can request recordings of any historic broadcast?

The German public-service broadcasters like ARD, ZDF and many regional ones offer such a service. I can request a program from the 70ies, tell the name and (helpfully) where and when it was broadcasted. Then they search through their massive archive, make a copy on DVD and send them to you. It's not cheap (up to 40€ per hour of program), but it is legal for personal use. No need here to pirate anything, except very very old broadcasts from before ... around 1967.

Popeyes · 3 years ago
I assume you have already found this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MlQgGu6nCU

I have been told that the BBC have a massive digital vault of shows that are available to producers obviously since iPlayer came into being any shows listed are there, just not available. And they are constantly archiving old material.

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majkinetor · 3 years ago
In the meantime:

    1. Rarbg or rutracker to dwn anything in minutes
    2. mpv to watch anything in minutes with subtitles and bunch of flexible options that propriatery or FOSS tools like plex can only dream to have
    3. enjoy life without commercials ever and hord stuff if you want it and pay for things after the fact
For books replace 1. with libgen and 2. with calibre reader.

Yes, its 100x easier.

Games could be in some cases easier to buy, especially since you realy must test those for viruses and other malcious stuff, not something you should be concerned with multimedia.

_Algernon_ · 3 years ago
Since I game on Linux, Steam provides enough value since most games with Proton are one-click install. Don't use other stores though.
layer8 · 3 years ago
Unfortunately libgen is pretty hit-or-miss for me, especially for fairly recent, or non-English, or pre-digital-age (badly scanned, if at all present) publications, or stuff like ISO standards.

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helloworld11 · 3 years ago
is rutracker relatively secure for torrent downloads?
bogomipz · 3 years ago
Regarding 2, what is MPV here?
joshspankit · 3 years ago
Netflix could have done it. We all watched as piracy freed people from the nonsense rules of cable and DVDs (inconvenient times, waiting for releases, region locks to name a few)...

And then Netflix solved a lot of those problems for a reasonable price.

And then through paying attention to the goldmine of watch data, they did it even better than piracy.

We knew that the licensing model would catch people off-guard eventually, but for a time they had actually solved it.

Then, they lost the contracts.

And media companies saw them as competitors instead of partners.

And Netflix brought back region locks (some not their fault, but some that was).

And the prices started to go up in chorus with the anti-consumer practices.

And now we’re back to the fragmented battleground that was cable TV.

And the book industry has somehow stayed just as bad the whole time, in many ways more draconian than Hollywood...

Maybe next time the pendulum swings back in favour of the consumers, we’ll end up with better contracts so we can avoid this sort thing as it swings over to producers again.

404mm · 3 years ago
Also worth mentioning, Plex UI and UX is so much better than any of the apps I’m paying subscription fees to (7 currently!!!).

To pile up onto your example of Westworld, I was super annoyed when I subscribed to AMC+ to catch up on The Walking Dead, just to find out that only last few episodes of current season are available and since I was waiting for more to air, I am now SOL.

eulers_secret · 3 years ago
Posting here to plug jellyfin (and swiftfin in TestFlight) - it’s really nice to have a full FOSS option on the AppleTV/iPhone.

My issue with Plex is their unceasing dark patterns and attempts to monetize users. Forcing centralized accounts and constantly re-pinning their “value add” channels made me leave them. Also eroded my trust with them, I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that they log all the media I watch in their app…

walthamstow · 3 years ago
One beautiful bit of the Plex UX is having the clock time in the top right corner of the HUD in the player. It's very convenient and I don't think any other service (in the UK) has it.
majkinetor · 3 years ago
no no no no no no... its all shit really. You can't really expect that "lets have everything here" tools get into tiny details of specialized tools.
Grimm665 · 3 years ago
Pirate streams of NHL hockey games seem to come from the source before it goes to the networks who overlay it with additional scoreboards, scores of other games, and other junk on the screen. When they cut to commercial, it goes to a sequence of black and white slow motion footage of ice and rink preparation. It looks like the placeholder that the networks then put their ads on top of during breaks.

Why is it not possible to pay for this version of the stream? Even if I sign up for ESPN through Comcast or whatever hoops I have to jump through to access live sports, I still get the version with the ads and screen junk. Pirate streams are higher def and just more pleasant to watch. Sometimes you can even choose streams with no commentation at all, just the sounds of the sport. Where are these options in the paid streaming service?

SoftTalker · 3 years ago
> Why is it not possible to pay for this version of the stream?

Because they want both your money and ad money.

I don't know why people ever accepted advertising on pay cable TV. Pay to watch ads?

Ads made sense on over-the-air broadcast because there was no way to earn revenue from that other than a BBC-style "license" tax that wouldn't really fly in the US (though we do have NPR so...)

ClassyJacket · 3 years ago
Don't forget that you don't even know which streaming service something is on. Americans will tweet something is on HBO or Peacock or whatever, but where the hell is it in Australia?

And Amazon is now doing this shady thing where the subscription includes every episode except the hold the last episode of each season hostage and make you buy it separately.

j1elo · 3 years ago
> Don't forget that you don't even know which streaming service something is on [...] where the hell is it in Australia?

I think your best bet would be to just use a website like https://www.justwatch.com/au

yonaguska · 3 years ago
I never buy e-books unless they include it with the purchase of a dead tree book. If I'm going to pirate a book, I'll at least buy the paper copy to support the author and publisher. For all other media, excluding games because steam is so easy, piracy it is.
drakonka · 3 years ago
This is an interesting approach since you're likely paying more to buy the paper copy than you would to buy the ebook. This seems like it would be a pretty uncommon practice. However, as a self-published writer, knowing there are people like you out there is encouragement for me to release paperback versions despite the additional initial expense of paperback covers.
delecti · 3 years ago
The Google TV app (at least on Android) can show where everything is, and will even link directly to it in another app if you've got it installed. You can also buy/rent things that aren't available for streaming anywhere, or even just not anywhere you're subscribed. As someone who has come to terms with having too many subscriptions and their apps installed, it works great for me.
sergiotapia · 3 years ago
Butchered It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia (we all know why) on streaming platforms. My pirated version is still the original hilarious versions.
ttyprintk · 3 years ago
I didn’t know this. I’m sure they chopped a half dozen episodes out. Did the network edit and re-release more than that?
rowanG077 · 3 years ago
This is the reason why I don't feel bad about piracy. If you as a company can't even approach the comfyness of piracy while your app is the flick of a finger away to open you have failed.
borbulon · 3 years ago
> or you have to constantly micromanage different subscriptions.

To me that's the killer app right now, one-place-to-toggle-them-all, with a running tally of what you're paying this month. Unfortunately streaming companies have no vested interest in making it easier for people to turn on and off their subscriptions, so even if it could be done it'd be a constant arms race.

andsoitis · 3 years ago
You can pause your subscription at Netflix or Disney+.
richardatlarge · 3 years ago
Yes, ironic that the breakdown of the Netflix monopoly will create such a scattering of services that piracy is a solution
Valakas_ · 3 years ago
I understand that different companies may want a part of the pie, and that's fine. Competition is good. But for us consumers, there should be a central place, where we can find everything, and they those companies that offer shows can still compete with each other somehow. The problem is devising such a system.
zie · 3 years ago
> there is no way to centrally browse everything so you need 7 different apps.

The Apple TV App (on iOS/iPadOS) does this. It even links you directly to the show in the app, assuming you have a valid subscription on that app. If it's not streamable, you can almost always "buy" or rent it.

It's not perfect, but it's the best there is that I'm aware of.

I basically agree with everything else you said.

jesuscript · 3 years ago
I’ve been feeling the same. I wanted to watch about 5 or some movies this year that were a) not available on any streaming platform, b) only available on one specific streaming platform exclusively (which I didn’t have a sub to), c) You straight up could not purchase it on YouTube/Amazon/ITunes.

I’m not playing this game.

ymolodtsov · 3 years ago
Who said you need to watch ALL streaming services?

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hasbot · 3 years ago
For the average person, it isn't. For the average person with a Kindle, buying a book from Amazon is a very smooth process. My 83 year-old mother does it easily. I pirate e-books and it's kind of a pain in the ass to get the book, convert it to MOBI format, and then transfer it to my Kindle.
elondaits · 3 years ago
I also like the Kindle purchase experience. I usually put a sample in the Kindle, check it out, and then with a single click I can have the full book in minutes without going to my computer or phone.

Calibre provides a very good service, but it can be a bit puzzling in terms of UX, also getting certain pirate books is a big chore and might require visiting dodgy sites. But the reason I stopped downloading books is that I often ran into small issues, like footnotes or a table of contents that didn't work correctly. The last book I remember downloading was "Thinking Fast and Slow"... I ended up purchasing it on Amazon because every half page it had a word duplicated, with the duplicate slightly scrambled srcambled. It was maddening... probably planted by the author , Daniel Kahneman, as a psy-ops DRM device.

kace91 · 3 years ago
kindle handles epub books just fine (not sure how recent that is).

They also provide an email address where, if you send an email with some epubs attached, they make them magically appear on your kindle.

I was pleasantly surprised by this last week, since I got a kindle and I thought it was going to be a hassle, but nope.

PhasmaFelis · 3 years ago
I recently transferred an epub to my Kindle Reader app, and it worked, but there was a message saying that epub capability would be removed "later this year." Make of that what you will.
hasbot · 3 years ago
Internally the Kindle Paperwhite still uses MOBI: https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/2/23053408/amazon-epub-kindl...

When I tried emailing an epub this way, Amazon messed up the conversion. I've had good luck converting pirated epubs to MOBI using an online converter so I haven't changed my practice.

themadturk · 3 years ago
This is a fairly new thing and for me has worked smoothly. I can attach a bunch of DRM-free epubs to an email addressed to my Kindle account, Amazon asks for confirmation that it's me sending them, and within about five minutes I have clean, well-formatted copies of those files on my Paperwhite.
cosentiyes · 3 years ago
this is new (as of may 2022) and doesn't always assume the correct epub encoding, which can insert artifacts (eg see https://github.com/janeczku/calibre-web/issues/2508).
preetamjinka · 3 years ago
This is what I do with my base model Kindle. I have its email address saved as a contact so it is super easy to send it ePubs (or PDFs!) from my phone.
schwartzworld · 3 years ago
I use a Boox eink tablet, which supports epub, mobi and pdf quite well. The large size makes pdfs useful.

Because of this support I can download directly from libgen without converting or using a different device. For books that are only available through Amazon, I have the Kindle app installed.

antiframe · 3 years ago
One could argue that you're not buying the book though, as Amazon can remove the book from your device later without your consent. And as we know, that's that a theoretical threat, it happened with the book 1984 in 2009. While you could keep your Kindle in airplane mode all the time to prevent that, if you do you will miss out on the ability to easy "purchase" and go back to a world where you have to side-load.
andai · 3 years ago
That's a "failing" of Amazon, not of piracy. It benefits them to make it inconvenient to put things on it manually; it encourages you to use their store instead. The Kobo supports ePub natively.
raindropm · 3 years ago
True. Not to mention most average people nowadays doing things via their smartdevice, so anything that doesn't remotely 'prepackaged' become a big hurdle to cross for them, and their time.

It remind me of whenever people discuss about OS and someone said their grandmother can use Linux just fine, hell, I'm quite sure she's just browsing with Firefox and not doing command line kung-fu.

hiq · 3 years ago
Kindle devices support epub now, don't they? Aren't they deprecating .mobi?

If you use an Amazon account you can email them to a specific email address to get them on your device.

themadturk · 3 years ago
I don't believe they actually use ePub...they accept ePub sent via email and convert them to internal formats. Mobi is deprecated, however, though you can still read your old mobi files on Kindle.
SalimoS · 3 years ago
Not sure if you over complicated it because mailing yourself the epub will convert it and send it to your kindle
exo-pla-net · 3 years ago
A pain in the ass?

Download file > Add to Calibre > Transfer to Kindle

We're talking four clicks.

themadturk · 3 years ago
This is more complicated than it sounds. Amazon is continually trying to stay ahead of de-DRM software. In many cases you have to use older versions of the Kindle software to download, or use de-DRM software external to Calibre to do the DRM removal. I download recent purchases from Amazon directly to my Mac and the de-DRM addins in Calibre didn't do a thing to them. I haven't yet tried standalone de-DRM scripts on them.
gruez · 3 years ago
> so for each of the purchase I created a new virtual card and bought them. After a few minutes my Amazon account is blocked for suspicious activity, and ALL my kindle library is wiped, and the funds are returned to my company.

I understand generating a virtual card for a per company basis, but what's the point of generating a card for every book you're buying? Besides the added hassle for little benefit, surely you can understand why such behavior might be considered "suspicious"?

tux1968 · 3 years ago
Guessing that the virtual cards are only able to be used for a single purchase. And because there is no shopping cart on Kindle allowing books to be bought together, multiple cards were required for the individual purchases.
zitterbewegung · 3 years ago
From what I have used my virtual card for my Apple Card that seems correct. Virtual cards really should be generated once per purchase because if you aren't doing this its going to trigger a fraud detection system for the payment processor.
leoff · 3 years ago
Yes, this is correct.
pizza234 · 3 years ago
It sounded odd to me as well, seems to be just the way their spend management solution works: https://www.spendesk.com/en/product/virtual-cards.
sidlls · 3 years ago
Why would it be considered suspicious?
lkbm · 3 years ago
Usually when someone uses lots of different cards to make purchases on a website, they're testing stolen cards. 2-3 cards is fine, but if you have over ~5 cards in a day, it's over 90% chance that they're stolen. You simply don't run an ecommerce platform of any size without a system to automatically flag and block those transactions.

I haven't checked the logs, but I guarantee there have been people/bots trying to do card testing on our site in the past 24 hours. It's pretty nearly a non-stop barrage, so you have to auto-detect and auto-block.

patch_collector · 3 years ago
Could be a person testing out stolen cards with a low-value purchase, to verify that the cards are legitimate. They then can use them elsewhere for much larger purchases.
smcl · 3 years ago
> for each of the purchase I created a new virtual card and bought them

Well there's your problem. Look Amazon is a shady company and I completely understand not wanting to hand over any more money to Bezos. But one account making N orders on N different cards in quick succession is going to trigger any rudimentary anti-fraud protection

_Algernon_ · 3 years ago
Which wouldn't have been an issue if you could have paid for all the books at once... It's still a stupidly designed system by Amazon.
umanwizard · 3 years ago
It also wouldn’t be an issue if you just didn’t create a new card for every transaction. I feel like I’m missing context on why anyone would do that.
rootusrootus · 3 years ago
Sounds like a niche case. For average people who buy one book at a time, Amazon's purchase process is single-click. All of the Kindle books I've gotten in recent memory have been DRM-free. I'm having trouble feeling any outrage here, I think most retailers would have flagged your account if you used a bunch of different credit cards, one for each item you bought.
lucb1e · 3 years ago
Since chargebacks due to fraud costs the retailer extra (thus they must do fraud checking and magic heuristics) as far as I understand, does that make it the credit card system's fault?

Using a ton of different cards indeed would sound like a database leak to me, so with the retailer being liable for the user's and/or bank's failure to design a system under which the user can keep their credentials secure, this behavior being not allowed is understandable. This is all relatively foreign to me as a European who just pays with iDeal (Dutch system) that doesn't know fraud chargebacks or anything, and where it's on the banks (rather than retailers) to refund fraud from e.g. phishing so it's in their own interest to design a secure system, so correct me if I misunderstood something about how credit cards work.

bambax · 3 years ago
Kindle purchase on Amazon is sub-par.

The "single click" is in fact super annoying in my use case. I have an account with Amazon, with two different cards, one for professional purchases and one for personal ones[0].

When I buy a physical thing I can choose the card when paying. But for Kindles that's not possible, so I have to change the default card before buy. Very annoyging.

Also, for some reason, as described by the OP, one can't add a Kindle book to any cart to buy more than one at a time... or even save it for later! Which is completely absurd and user hostile.

[0] It's also possible to have two different accounts, but that comes with different problems; I have a pro account with Amazon but never use it.

themadturk · 3 years ago
This is me at Christmas. I got a ton of Amazon gift cards and spent them all on Kindle books the same day, because it's a hassle changing my default payment method to ignore cards. Don't want to spend my Christmas money on the next Amazon subscription shipment of Kind Bars, toothpaste and Kickstarts!
rootusrootus · 3 years ago
I agree, niche cases are niche, and when the experience is optimized for Joe Average then your niche case may very well become less convenient.
jacquesm · 3 years ago
Average people like me, who visit a bookstore once in six months or so tend to stock up on books. Never had a bookstore bar me from entering because I bought too many books. On the contrary, they asked me if they could help out by delivering them to my house for free...
SalimoS · 3 years ago
To be completely fair if you use a new card for every book it will rise some eyebrows
rootusrootus · 3 years ago
This reminds me of the back and forth discussion on EVs vs ICEVs. Yes, if your use case requires you to go to a remote location to buy the product, your purchase pattern is going to reflect that. You refuel your car once a week or so, I refuel every single night. You go buy multiple books at a time at a bookstore, I buy them on the fly at the moment I want them.
helloworld11 · 3 years ago
Try buying ebooks on Amazon for kindle app from another country (in my case Latin America), they essentially force you to get the book under their kindle unlimited crap and there's no easy way to remove its DRMif you buy it like that. Because I emphatically do remove DRM from ebooks I buy (they're mine now, I "bought" them, no?), this makes it a no-go.
christophilus · 3 years ago
What I ended up doing was buying my books wherever they were cheapest (e.g. a used bookstore or the kindle shop or whatever) and then pirating a non-DRM e-pub version so that I didn’t have any hassle and could read as I pleased.

That way, my conscience was clear (subjectively).

Then, the FBI or someone took down z-library. So, I’m not sure what my next move will be.

josh_fyi · 3 years ago
Use annas-archive.org to search across pirate sites. Works well; no login neededs.
andai · 3 years ago
z-lib is still up on Tor. Check wikipedia for the links.

You do need to login with an email though which sucks.

pythonguython · 3 years ago
I’ve always used libgen. I mostly used it for textbooks so I can’t speak to its volume of literature, but I have found novels I’ve needed before.
unixbotnuke · 3 years ago
Here is an alternative: http://libgen.is/
fnord77 · 3 years ago
I'm amazed this hasn't gotten taken down. it's been around for years and years
kace91 · 3 years ago
Authors aren't benefited by second hand sales.

Have you considered libby? Nowadays libraries around the world provide you with an account that gives you access to their catalogue for free.

RHSeeger · 3 years ago
> Authors aren't benefited by second hand sales.

While I like the idea of authors making more money rather than less, I see no fundamental reason why they _should_ benefit from second hand sales. When I buy any given object <X>, use it for what I need it for, then sell it to someone else; the original producer does not make anything off that second sale. And that's normal/expected.

mtlynch · 3 years ago
>Authors aren't benefited by second hand sales.

Authors should benefit from secondhand sales at least a little bit.

The more demand there is for a used book, the higher sellers can price the used book. And as the price of a used book increases, more buyers will choose the new version over the used version.

It's not as beneficial as buying a new copy, but it benefits the author more than just pirating it. Libby is similarly beneficial in an indirect way.

mehlmao · 3 years ago
Libby and similar services are designed to bleed libraries dry. Libraries are prohibited from buying a normal / retail eBook license, and have to buy a special library license. These licenses are more expensive and expire after they are checked out a few times.

I'll check out a physical book from the library, grab an epub, and delete it when I return the book.

cube00 · 3 years ago
For my library at least there are very few modern technical books in their Libby subscription.
syvolt · 3 years ago
I wish more people knew about fraud protection and how not to trigger it. If you want to pay in an unusual way, ask support if it's allowed or causes issues.

If you just try and imitate the average customer you will almost always be on the happy path, but ordering multiple books with multiple cards in a short period... I think that would trigger any decent fraud protection and not just at Amazon scale.

ryanbrunner · 3 years ago
For most services (I'd assume even Amazon) they likely wouldn't be able to tell you what would trip their fraud detection. Most of the time fraud detection happens at the payment processor or issuing bank level, and even if it is detected directly by the service, usually the support department doesn't have much access to the fraud department, and fraud departments are usually very protective around details of how they detect fraud.
yamtaddle · 3 years ago
To be fair, it seems like their only option was to look like someone running stolen credit card numbers, due to how two systems outside their control worked—the work payment system that issued one card number per transaction; Amazon not letting you buy more than one ebook at a time.
beebeepka · 3 years ago
This would have been somewhat funny piece of sarcasm but I fear you are being serious.

Next step: force customers to submit to a full cavity search upon payment

kraig911 · 3 years ago
Funny enough while I agree with your points I think you're being a little facetious given the premise. If someone came into my store and bought a different item with different credit cards for multiple transactions I'd be suspicious too. Fraud is super hard to fight back.
leoff · 3 years ago
I also understand this, I just wish Amazon had a shopping cart so I could use my single use card only one time.