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cableshaft · 8 years ago
There's so many examples of this it's just so sad.

Joshua Tree on U2 album cover destroyed: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2971368/U2-fan-pilgr...

Kids knock down 16 million year old rock formation: https://military.id.me/news/idiots-ruin-18-million-year-old-...

One man accidentally killed the oldest tree ever: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/how-one-man-accide...

World's most isolated tree knocked down by drunk driver: https://www.treehugger.com/natural-sciences/earths-most-isol...

So sad how an act of stupidity by as few as one person can eliminate something of beauty that's been around longer than tens, hundreds, thousands of their lifetimes.

elihu · 8 years ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiidk%27yaas

> Kiidk'yaas (meaning "ancient tree" in the Haida language[1]), also known as the Golden Spruce, was a Sitka Spruce tree (Picea sitchensis 'Aurea') that grew on the banks of the Yakoun River on the Haida Gwaii archipelago, in British Columbia Canada. It had a rare genetic mutation that caused its needles to be golden in colour (rather than the usual green). Kiidk'yaas was considered sacred by the Haida people

> Kiidk'yaas was felled in January 1997 by Grant Hadwin as an act of protest against the logging industry.

mwilliaams · 8 years ago
> an act of protest against the logging industry

That makes zero sense. He killed an awesome, special tree to protest killing of trees. What a loser.

clarkenheim · 8 years ago
A couple of those are not the same. When it happens by genuine accident it is not the same as vandalism.
cableshaft · 8 years ago
I didn't call it vandalism. I consider it to be an equivalent loss whether it happened with intent, by accident, or a freak of nature. It's all sad to me.
seunosewa · 8 years ago
Actually, it took 2 acts of stupidity. The vandalism, and the bureaucratic decision to help the vandal to finish the job.
stinkytaco · 8 years ago
How do we arrive at either of those conclusions?

I, for one, know nothing of this tree other than what I have seen just now. It's entirely possible that a trained arborist (which most cities and counties employ) looked at the tree and decided it needed to be taken down or coppiced. In fact I would argue that it's much more likely that happened than anything else.

I'm actually a little disappointed that the article jumps to weird conclusions in an attempt to be insightful.

wavefunction · 8 years ago
The 'oldest tree ever' is still alive, probably because its location is undisclosed publicly:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methuselah_(tree)

sammoorhouse · 8 years ago
The “oldest tree ever” is always alive!
stephengillie · 8 years ago
Waiting for the day some space-bound joy-rider flies through the Rings of Saturn and leaves big gaping holes. How many years will it take the custodian moons to clean up?
jerf · 8 years ago
The rings are comfortably larger than Earth: http://www.arcadiastreet.com/cgvistas/images/saturn_&_earth_...

To do any damage at any speed you'd notice would be a self-correcting problem as whoever tried it would be destroyed. It's definitely not a problem you're going to see within your lifetime.

phlakaton · 8 years ago
The lesson here, clearly, is: tall poppies get mowed. It is known. :-/
wavefunction · 8 years ago
Who would mow their poppies? Other than the Dutch?
NoGravitas · 8 years ago
The nail that sticks up will get hammered in.
foxhop · 8 years ago
white house allows mining company to destroy this: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/10/politics/bristol-bay-salmon-in...
dmix · 8 years ago
That hasn't passed yet, nor has the mining company 'destroyed' it.

> Pebble still would have to apply for permits before building a mine in Bristol Bay. Two public hearings will be held in Alaska on the topic this week. And the public has until October 17 to comment on Pruitt's proposed policy reversal before it could be finalized.

apatters · 8 years ago
I'd call that a lesson on the impermanence of beauty.
FussyZeus · 8 years ago
If it were ended by time or natural cause, then so be it. It's sad but it's unavoidable. Idiots are avoidable, they're just often determined and why we can't have nice things.
breischl · 8 years ago
Or knocking over a goblin rock formation, for "safety"

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/18/goblin-valley-boy-...

Reason077 · 8 years ago
Damn. I sure hope nothing happens to this famous tree that I grew up with in New Zealand:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=that+wanaka+tree&tbm=isch

dsacco · 8 years ago
You’re aware of the irony in posting this, right?
dmix · 8 years ago
> That year, a well was dug near the tree, offering a hint to how it had managed to survive in the sand. The tree, only around 10 feet tall, had roots that stretched down more than 100 feet to the water table.

Amazing.

schiffern · 8 years ago
Note that it's a willow tree, so the vandal and workers may have "just" unintentionally coppiced it. Far from killing the tree, some of the oldest trees in the world are coppiced. Coppicing is supposed to happen in winter, but it's possible this tree could survive.

Looking at the "before" picture, the tree might itself be a spray formed when an older tree was cut.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coppicing

KGIII · 8 years ago
I am not sure that it is unintentional. The observers may just have not asked what was going on. The reason I'm unsure of intent is the height of the stumps. That's rather abnormal as trees are usually cut much closer to the ground.

Also, the tree could probably have been saved. It didn't look like a cut that would have destroyed the entire tree. A good arborist could have removed that without overly damaging the rest of the tree.

The stumps are all left at unusual angles. Those aren't the result of typical notching and felling techniques. Those were cut intentionally. My guess is they were notched above that and then cut down to that height.

It may be intentional coppicing?

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ckinnan · 8 years ago
Yeah, the partially severed limb needed to be fully cut off for the best interest of the tree. I'm guessing the work crew saw some rot or disease or other damage, and went ahead and coppiced the whole tree.
tptacek · 8 years ago
The vandals don't care whether the tree lives or dies; they care that nobody enjoys the tree while they have to be aware of it.
dmix · 8 years ago
I believe the OP was referencing the city workers who coppiced the tree, not the vandals who forced them to do so...

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peterwwillis · 8 years ago
"Coppicing is a traditional method of woodland management which takes advantage of the fact that many trees make new growth from the stump or roots if cut down. In a coppiced wood, which is called a copse,"

I finally find out why the "copse of trees" at Gettysburg is called that. Thank you.

lobster_johnson · 8 years ago
"Copse" comes from "coppice", but today means any small group of trees (not necessarily any that have been coppiced).
13of40 · 8 years ago
Can confirm. A couple of years ago the ornamental plum in my front yard died and I cut it off near the base. Almost immediately about a hundred new trunks sprouted from the stump and roots, and it was what I considered a handsome shrubbery for a year or so before my wife made me coppice the whole thing out of the ground with axe and pickup truck.
foxhop · 8 years ago
More likely the scion died and the root stock took over. It wouldn't have grown the same plum or flower.

You didn't coppice it when you removed it. Coppice is when a tree is "topped" like a haircut and then it grows back.

Not all trees are suitable for coppicing, but the ones that do grow back vigorously and are great for firewood / lumber.

jhoechtl · 8 years ago
You can safely coppice a willow tree any time of year and it will vigorously re-sprout. This tree will certainly come back to life.
jplahn · 8 years ago
This is tangentially related to something I've been struggling with for the last year. I began getting into photography about a year and as an attempt to surround myself with inspiration, I followed many of the top landscape photographers on Instagram. While their images are beautiful and they tend to position their photographs from the perspective of "environmentalism", I can't help but feel like they've done as much damage as anything else.

Two examples come to mind. Last year, the USFS extended the lottery permit season in the Enchantments by six weeks due to increasing popularity, no doubt fueled by the incredible pictures of it littered across Instagram. Iceland is a top destination for photographers (for good reason) and I traveled there two months ago, no doubt influenced by the pictures I've seen. But it felt like the country was beginning to get ruined by me and my fellow tourists.

It feels like we're beginning to lose the hidden gems as more and more photographers rush to be the first. But even the non-hidden gems are beginning to get exposed more and more often. But I see the same spots being visited by all photographers and I don't see how they'll handle the continued influx of people:

  * Banff NP
  * Dolomites
  * Iceland
  * Lofoten
  * Greenland
It's great that people are interested in seeing the world, but I'd say the set of people that love photographing amazing locations and preserving them is much smaller than the set of people that only care about the former. That said, I'm probably more of a contributor to this than I'd care to admit.

ISL · 8 years ago
The key, as a photographer, is then to find the beauty elsewhere, preferably in the everyday.

I maintain an active mountain images account, but when I post from somewhere untouched, I'm deliberately vague as to the location.

I'm watching the same thing happen with a tarn on Mt. Rainier. People are figuring out its location, and soon it will be highly trafficked. Most of these places look untouched precisely because people have gone to some trouble not to touch them.

Some overuse is a worthy trade, if, when at the ballot box and the cash register, nature-aware humans make the deliberate choice to sacrifice in order to preserve that which remains.

macNchz · 8 years ago
I've had this exact discussion with my friends a several times recently. We regularly go hiking and backpacking in the mountains of upstate NY and New England, and have independently noticed the trend of people 'peak bagging' instagram hotspots over the past couple of years.

It's tough because I'm a big fan of getting people outside, and this renewed interest in visiting national parks could in theory drive more funding and interest in wildlands preservation, but in the meantime has drawn hordes of people who don't always respect the place they're visiting.

There are microcosms of the instagram top spots phenomenon you've listed all over the place as well. This past summer I went to visit a backcountry waterfall in my hometown where locals used to cool off, and could not believe how many people there were there, some clearly from far away, taking pictures of themselves in front of it. The instagram location tag for it has thousands of posts, for a place that is pretty but not really spectacular.

Here's a story about a similar location that blew up on the internet and suffered for it: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/20/nyregion/blue-hole-swimmi...

KGIII · 8 years ago
If you really like something, tell nobody. If you find beautiful waterfalls, don't tell anyone. A great fishing hole? Keep it to yourself. A great diner? Nary a soul should you tell.

I'm only slightly exaggerating.

In defiance of my above statement, I own this tree and it is my favorite tree. The forestry service cored it and it's at least 220 years old.

https://imgur.com/a/c2AVd

fiblye · 8 years ago
Living somewhere that's increasingly being overrun with disrespectful tourists, I've been making a point of keeping my travels a secret as well. I've found loads of beautiful spots and I take plenty of pictures, but those pictures are all for my own memories. I don't show them to anyone since I know I'd come back to a trashed location later. I recently went back to a small town that had almost zero tourism not long ago, only to find hordes of tourists and "X ︎LOVES Y" messages carved into walls and trees everywhere.
throwanem · 8 years ago
There's a reason the photos on my site generally aren't geotagged. (Well, aside from the fact that my DSLR's GPS isn't any good.)
matt4077 · 8 years ago
I believe there's a counteracting mechanism at work that compensates (and then some) for the possible damages from tourism.

Look at Yellowstone, or the country of Guatemala, where it's the interest by visitors that provides the necessary incentives to protect the natural beauty.

The same has (somewhat) worked to reduce the risk of extinction for many species of African mammals as well.

throwanem · 8 years ago
I began getting into photography as well, around the first of the year, and the trick to me seems to be finding what's amazing in the places where you are every day. I mean, if I had the spare time to travel to places where the landscape is already amazing, I suspect I would, too. But I think it might feel like easy mode to me, if I did.
hycaria · 8 years ago
People who fly on a whim definitely can't call themselves "evironmentalists" or pretend to be versed into preserving our planet.
ierolastic · 8 years ago
So many things about that are depressing, like, why would someone cut into a tree like that, and why would they decide that, if one of the trunks is gone, the whole thing needs to be decimated? Both are completely absurd.
mostafah · 8 years ago
There is an Arabic story about Hatim al-Tai’s brother. Hatim al-Tai was a great man, maybe the most generous person that has ever lived. He was a legend even when he was alive.

One day people saw his brother peeing in the holy Well of Zamzam. This is the most sacred water in Islam. They asked him why he was doing such a thing. “My brother is famous and will be remembered forever in the history,” he said. “I can never be as wise or as generous as him, so this is how I make sure I will be remembered forever.”

nolok · 8 years ago
So am I wrong to think that by retelling this story, we make him right, thus pushing people who similarly want to be remembered forever without being "wise" to do the same?
smnrchrds · 8 years ago
> This is the most sacred water in Islam.

It was also sacred in the religions practiced in the region before Islam, which is important because Hatim died before the birth of Islam.

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peterwwillis · 8 years ago
See the picture of the cut limb? (https://kottke.org/plus/misc/images/broccoli-tree-vandal-01....) How it looks like there's a vertical crack in the limb, and kind of black in the middle? And if you look real close at the vertical cut, it looks black inside. Other parts of the tree seem to have large black spots too.

Well limbs don't just crack vertically when they're cut horizontally. Either someone hacked at it vertically (no real reason), or that black spot is the mark of black canker, a willow disease. The only fix is to cut off the diseased limb in the dormant season. And it's almost the dormant season.

Why did all the limbs get cut off? Dunno, maybe it had to do with canker too. But remember, plants are not here for humans' amusement - they often require trimming, chopping, replanting, large culls to prevent disease spread, and all kinds of other treatment to care for them. The end result may be an ugly tree, but a tree that lives.

I could be wrong. But it's best not to dwell on the worst of things if you don't know what really happened.

2bitencryption · 8 years ago
since this entire topic seems philosophical, I'll go down this path --

someone is sitting at home, feeling worthless, like their life is pointless and they could disappear without anyone noticing.

but there's this tree everyone likes. people notice this tree. because you see lots of pictures of it, people must visit it often. it's a confluence.

if you were to, say, scratch your name into the bark, people would notice. you would have made some difference on the world, for better or worse.

if you were to cut a branch down, people would DEFINITELY notice. people would think about you, when no one would before. even if the thoughts aren't positive.

in other words, to not feel so small and meaningless.

sydd · 8 years ago
Or rather 3 teenagers got drunk, and wanted to do something whats "breaking the law" or "pissing off hipsters" or "really punk". and cut the tree.
smacktoward · 8 years ago
The same reason people assassinate famous actors and political figures: because doing so means you'll be famous too.

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minikites · 8 years ago
triplesec · 8 years ago
Indeed. You could also pick a right with North Korea (or the US) for just the same kinds of 'reasons'.
etiam · 8 years ago
It's hardly clear from this particular blog post but if you look at what's been reported in newspapers almost all the trunks had been sawed in.

As for why, who knows, but my guess is we're looking at a physical world manifestation of the same personality that drives many (non-professional) internet trolls. Sadistic and attention seeking.

lobster_johnson · 8 years ago
It's less trolling and more griefing [1]. Some people just want to watch the world burn.

I personally know a real-life griefer who spends his time disrupting discussion boards. He's an intelligent and creative guy, but he sees his mission as being a counterweight to all the positive, friendly discourse that is going on. I'm glad he limits himself to online activities.

In some venues -- the multiple infamous flying penis attacks in Second Life, for example -- griefing can be fun and even beautiful. Rarely in real life.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer

keypress · 8 years ago
I get it, a tree that has had a limb artificially removed is ugly - in my eyes at least. Even trees that are managed can look rough around the edges, whereas the natural shape of trees can be absolutely beautiful. I've tried to tame some large trees that I am stewarding, and to be honest they'd probably look better cut right back to the ground. Thin limb cuts you can get away with, but a severed fat limb looks pretty dreadful.

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nolok · 8 years ago
See the top comment above yours, cutting down the whole thing once damaged seems to have been the proper way to care for the tree long term.
JoblessWonder · 8 years ago
I honestly thought this was going to be about some sort of sorting algorithm I hadn't heard about until it was already outdated.
sizzzzlerz · 8 years ago
Last year, in Death Valley National Park, in a place called the Racetrack Playa (home to the moving rocks), some excrement-brained jackasses, drove their vehicle onto the playa while it was wet from a recent storm. The tire tracks they left will be visible now for possibly centuries ruining for visitors what was a pristine environment. Staking their naked, honey-coated bodies on top of an army ant anthole might not be enough punishment.
chrissnell · 8 years ago
My most favorite hobby is taking long-distance off-road trips in my old Land Rover Defender with my buddies. We go to places far off the beaten path, taking the smallest and least-used doubletrack trails that we can find. I've written [1][2] about these on some of the popular forums for this stuff and post a lot of photos. People often ask for GPS coordinates of the great campsites that we discover but I never, ever give them out and I'm purposefully vague and sometimes deceptive about their actual location.

This story is why.

Like the saying goes, call something paradise and kiss it goodbye. I blame the people who publicize these places as much as I blame the people who fuck them up. The assholes of the world cannot be trusted with beauty. They will always defile it or love it to death.

[1] http://forum.expeditionportal.com/threads/146545-The-Owyhee [2] http://forum.expeditionportal.com/threads/112686-Northwest-b...

macintux · 8 years ago
> I blame the people who publicize these places as much as I blame the people who fuck them up

I think that's a questionable apportionment of blame.

sevensor · 8 years ago
Lest we blame the internet, attacking beloved trees is nothing new:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_Oak_(Austin,_Texas)

a_e_k · 8 years ago
And in fiction, there is Bilbo's Party Tree:

http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Party_Tree

distances · 8 years ago
I agree that the perpetrator needs a punishment, but nine years is a very, very long time. Around here few first-time murderers need to sit that long.
duncan_bayne · 8 years ago
Agreed that nine years is probably (not knowing all the details) disproportionate.

But the Wikipedia article mentions the tree is sacred to the Comanche. Compared to what he would have endured at their hands hundreds of years ago, had he been caught by them, he's lucky :)

peatmoss · 8 years ago
It can even be done as a form of political protest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Tree_Hill_(New_Zealand)#Ne...
Larrikin · 8 years ago
The article brought this tree attack to mind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auburn_Tigers#Toomer.27s_Trees...
jps359 · 8 years ago
The vandal was sentenced to 9 years in prison? That seems quite high to me. Do tree vandals normally get such harsh punishments?
dom0 · 8 years ago
The article mentions that he used Velpar. A large part of his sentence may stem from him having contaminated ground water (in centuries past, a crime only punishable by death most cruel).
undersuit · 8 years ago